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  • Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
    World wide - one million deaths
    https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

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    • Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post

      It's sad but, in a way, it's also funny. Fighting over toilet paper at Freshco - a real life Monty Python skit!! :)
      All kinds of toilet paper everywhere in Windsor unless something changed in the last 24 hours. They were even selling it at three hardware stores I visited though it was a tad pricey compared to the grocery store which always has one brand or another on special.

      http://www.ipsnews.net/2020/06/curio...vid-19-africa/

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      • Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

        In a highly unscientific survey of practicing doctors that I have talked to, 100% would themselves take HCQ as a prophylactic and as an early stage treatment for Covid along with Zinc and an antibiotic. Big Pharma is against it as there is no profit if everyone goes that route. One of the reasons that Africa other areas are not as badly impacted by Covid as you might expect is because of the widespread use of HCQ as an anti-malaria treatment.

        https://bgr.com/2020/09/03/coronavir...y-common-cold/
        It's not over 'til it's over.

        "Experts caution that data collection in many African countries is incomplete, and Nkengasong warned against complacency, saying a single case can spark a new surge.

        Health experts point to Africa's youthful population as a factor in why COVID-19 hasn't taken a larger toll, along with swift lockdowns and the later arrival of the virus.

        "Be patient," Nkengasong cautioned. "There's a lot we still don't know.""

        https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/as-u-s-...ised-1.5115395

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        • Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post

          It's sad but, in a way, it's also funny. Fighting over toilet paper at Freshco - a real life Monty Python skit!! :)

          Everything is ok -- with the collapse of fiat currencies worldwide, we can always use paper money as TP. In that respect the U.S.is better off than Canada, because they still have the $1 bill.

          Just wondering: was fighting over toilet paper at Freshco part of the Upper Class Twit Of The Year competition (Monty Python)? There was jumping over a line of matchboxes, there was waking the neighbor, there was shooting yourself in the head, and a few more I can't remember.

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          • Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

            All kinds of toilet paper everywhere in Windsor unless something changed in the last 24 hours. They were even selling it at three hardware stores I visited though it was a tad pricey compared to the grocery store which always has one brand or another on special.

            http://www.ipsnews.net/2020/06/curio...vid-19-africa/

            TOP 10 BRANDS OF TP ON SALE IN WINDSOR
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            10. Royal Flush (used in Windsor casinos)

            09. Ace In The Hole (used in cheaper Windsor casinos)

            08. Zimbabwipe (yes, imported paper currency from Zimbabwe, the smaller notes like $100 Quadrillion)

            07. Potty (recycled Harry Potter books)

            06. Throne Speech (guess where that comes from)

            05. MAGA (discarded mail-in ballots from Pennsylvania with vote for Trump)

            04. AshWipe (not a typo -- it's direct from California wildfire zones)

            03. Maple Leafs (no, it's not maple leaves -- it's unsold Toronto Maple Leafs home game tickets)

            02. Achoo! (recycled N95 masks)

            And the number 1 brand of TP on sale in Windsor:

            01. HypocrASSy (official brand of Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham)


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              Originally posted by Tony Boron View Post

              It's not over 'til it's over.

              "Experts caution that data collection in many African countries is incomplete, and Nkengasong warned against complacency, saying a single case can spark a new surge.

              Health experts point to Africa's youthful population as a factor in why COVID-19 hasn't taken a larger toll, along with swift lockdowns and the later arrival of the virus.

              "Be patient," Nkengasong cautioned. "There's a lot we still don't know.""

              https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/as-u-s-...ised-1.5115395
              Tony, that does not square with this comparison of case fatality rates around the world re HCQ usage. The chart I did above is striking Canada and France have banned HCQ, US partial ban in some States, India started widespread HCQ after a delay, the balance of the countries listed had no restrictions on the use of HCQ. This correlation is direct and can not be attributed to faulty data collection by that many countries.
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              • Interesting watching Trump get a third Nobel Peace Prize nomination. Most deserving US President for this award since at least Jimmy Carter. To be clear: not that I think any US President should ever get such an award.
                Last edited by Tom O'Donnell; Tuesday, 29th September, 2020, 08:08 PM.
                "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                • Still lots of toilet paper in Windsor. No shortage here.

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                  • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
                    The chart I did above is striking Canada and France have banned HCQ
                    HCQ is not banned in Canada. It is on a trial base drug.

                    https://www.healthycanadians.gc.ca/r...72885a-eng.php

                    "Investigational use of approved therapies like hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine should be done in the context of a well-designed clinical trial."

                    "Health Canada has not authorized any drugs to prevent, treat or cure COVID-19 and has warned Canadians about products making false and misleading claims.

                    There are a number of medications being investigated to treat or prevent COVID-19, both in Canada and internationally. The best way to access experimental therapies is through clinical trials. Health Canada has authorized clinical trials with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. Results from large, well-designed studies are essential to determine if the benefits of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine outweigh their risks in the treatment of COVID-19. To date, data from clinical trials are limited, and the results have not conclusively shown that any specific medications are effective against COVID-19."

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                    • Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post

                      HCQ is not banned in Canada. It is on a trial base drug.

                      https://www.healthycanadians.gc.ca/r...72885a-eng.php

                      "Investigational use of approved therapies like hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine should be done in the context of a well-designed clinical trial."

                      "Health Canada has not authorized any drugs to prevent, treat or cure COVID-19 and has warned Canadians about products making false and misleading claims.

                      There are a number of medications being investigated to treat or prevent COVID-19, both in Canada and internationally. The best way to access experimental therapies is through clinical trials. Health Canada has authorized clinical trials with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. Results from large, well-designed studies are essential to determine if the benefits of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine outweigh their risks in the treatment of COVID-19. To date, data from clinical trials are limited, and the results have not conclusively shown that any specific medications are effective against COVID-19."
                      HCQ is not available for Dr's to prescribe despite overwhelming evidence around the world that for early high risk patients it has high efficacy. No trials are being done in Canada for prehosptilized patients in high risk groups. That is exactly the group that urgently needs it. Late stage post hospitalization it is often too late. No trials conducted for HCQ combo ie HCQ+zn2+ + anitibiotic. even though virtually all RNA viruses are treated with a combo and not a single "silver bullet drug".

                      https://c19study.com

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                      • Vermont is the least infected state in the US with one third of the cases of the next state and only 88 active cases. A refreshing sight after seeing the stats of the other 49 and associates.

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                        • Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
                          Vermont is the least infected state in the US with one third of the cases of the next state and only 88 active cases. A refreshing sight after seeing the stats of the other 49 and associates.
                          I have some info from a Washington Post article dated March 23 2020 (so it may be out of date). Here it is:

                          "Outside a host, viruses are dormant. They have none of the traditional trappings of life: metabolism, motion, the ability to reproduce."

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-so-hard-kill/

                          So!! If the coronavirus is unable to live free (in Vermont), then perhaps it dies.

                          (Phew! That was hard work boys. I deserve the big yuks!!)

                          p.s. Nooooo˛oooooooooooooooooooo .... "live free or die" is the state motto of New Hampshire aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh
                          Last edited by Peter McKillop; Wednesday, 30th September, 2020, 11:52 AM.
                          "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                          "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                          "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                          • I think you should get points for trying, Vermont and New Hampshire are close neighbors, although maybe not so close recently.

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                            • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
                              No trials are being done in Canada for prehosptilized patients in high risk groups.
                              This is probably quite close to what you are denying.
                              https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04397328
                              COVID-19 PEP- High-risk Individuals in Long-term and Specialized Care - Canada

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                              • The most surprising part of the debate to me was when they tried to resuscitate the "fine people on both sides" comment without proper context.

                                See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZ...b_channel=CNBC at about 1:55

                                "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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