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  • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

    Except that in order to have “intuition” of time in the first
    place all kinds of electrons are moving around in your
    body. No motion=No Time.

    I remember going in for an operation that lasted a few hours.
    When I came to I thought that the anesthetic had not worked
    thinking I was only under for a second.
    In my frame of reference motion in my body had stopped and
    effectively no time elapsed within my system.
    The idea of time existing without motion is not possible hence
    “nothingness” can not be equated with time. It is a misnomer.


    If material substance exists and mind/consciousness is a byproduct of the interactions of material substance then what you say must be true. But if material substance does not exist, and what appears to be material substance is nothing but a product of the imagination of mind then what I say, I believe, must be true. Your metaphysical position sounds like materialism, while I am an idealist. For you our mind is in our body, for me our body is in our mind. I am not sure if there is a final resolution to this philosophical dilemma, though I am personally convinced by Berkeley's arguments against the existence of any mind-independent material substance. It seems to me that only minds and their contents exist, I do not belive in the existence of mind-independent matter, thus for me time, or space/time, for time and space it seems to me are one and the same, is substance and motion exists as a result of mind/time/substance changing itself by thinking.

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    • Originally posted by Brad Thomson View Post

      For you our mind is in our body, for me our body is in our mind..
      Very elegant way to state your position!
      Both are right in their own way:
      Because the energy which constitutes our mind is within the energy that constitutes our body, Sid is right.
      Because what we see and feel as our body exists only in the mind, you are right too, Brad!

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      • Originally posted by Brad Thomson View Post

        If material substance exists and mind/consciousness is a byproduct of the interactions of material substance then what you say must be true. But if material substance does not exist, and what appears to be material substance is nothing but a product of the imagination of mind then what I say, I believe, must be true. Your metaphysical position sounds like materialism, while I am an idealist. For you our mind is in our body, for me our body is in our mind. I am not sure if there is a final resolution to this philosophical dilemma, though I am personally convinced by Berkeley's arguments against the existence of any mind-independent material substance. It seems to me that only minds and their contents exist, I do not belive in the existence of mind-independent matter, thus for me time, or space/time, for time and space it seems to me are one and the same, is substance and motion exists as a result of mind/time/substance changing itself by thinking.
        Brad (and Sid), have you ever read the book "Proof of Heaven" by Dr. Eben Alexander? It is not a religious book, rather is is an astonishing revelation of an experience that Dr. Alexander went through.

        He is a world-famous brain neurologist, you can look up his impressive credentials. Before his experience, he believed that no rational thought can exist outside of a working brain.

        Of all the people in the world, he developed well into his adulthood a disease that usually afflicts children. This disease basically destroyed his brain, making it completely non-functional. He was kept on life support for months while in a coma. Also, no one had ever before had this disease to his extent and recovered without being basically a vegetable. So his family was getting ready to pull the plug on his life support. And then, suddenly and with no explanation, he returned to full normalcy! His "destroyed" brain started functioning again. There is no medical explanation for his recovery.

        While in his coma, he went to "another world" and says it is more real, more physical than this one ever could be. He explains that while most people having near death experiences still have their self-identity and can recognize other entities from their life such as deceased grandmothers, grandfathers, etc., he bypassed that and went to what he calls "The Core". He lost his sense of self-identity and became part of The Core.

        He has now changed his mind, and believes that rational conscious thought can exist outside of a working brain. Brad, this would support your views. But at the same time, his saying that this other world is more physical and real than this one supports the notion of the spirit world having material substance, but doesn't address whether that can exist without thought.

        I believe that Dr. Alexander was chosen to have this experience, because the likelihood of ANY person having this experience is off the charts because he is the only one to have it so far. And... he's a world-famous brain specialist! It's just too incredible to be anything but a plan formulated on the other side and made real by forces we can never understand in this life.

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        • Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post

          Brad (and Sid), have you ever read the book "Proof of Heaven" by Dr. Eben Alexander? It is not a religious book, rather is is an astonishing revelation of an experience that Dr. Alexander went through.

          He is a world-famous brain neurologist, you can look up his impressive credentials. Before his experience, he believed that no rational thought can exist outside of a working brain.

          Of all the people in the world, he developed well into his adulthood a disease that usually afflicts children. This disease basically destroyed his brain, making it completely non-functional. He was kept on life support for months while in a coma. Also, no one had ever before had this disease to his extent and recovered without being basically a vegetable. So his family was getting ready to pull the plug on his life support. And then, suddenly and with no explanation, he returned to full normalcy! His "destroyed" brain started functioning again. There is no medical explanation for his recovery.

          While in his coma, he went to "another world" and says it is more real, more physical than this one ever could be. He explains that while most people having near death experiences still have their self-identity and can recognize other entities from their life such as deceased grandmothers, grandfathers, etc., he bypassed that and went to what he calls "The Core". He lost his sense of self-identity and became part of The Core.

          He has now changed his mind, and believes that rational conscious thought can exist outside of a working brain. Brad, this would support your views. But at the same time, his saying that this other world is more physical and real than this one supports the notion of the spirit world having material substance, but doesn't address whether that can exist without thought.

          I believe that Dr. Alexander was chosen to have this experience, because the likelihood of ANY person having this experience is off the charts because he is the only one to have it so far. And... he's a world-famous brain specialist! It's just too incredible to be anything but a plan formulated on the other side and made real by forces we can never understand in this life.
          https://www.wired.com/2013/12/butter...ts-turbulence/

          From Wiki:
          While practicing medicine in Lynchburg at the Lynchburg General Hospital, Alexander was reprimanded by the Virginia Board of Medicine for performing surgery at an incorrect surgical site, two times over the course of a month. In one instance, Alexander altered his operative report because he believed the surgery had diminished the patient's symptoms. He was sued by the patient for damages totaling $3 million in August 2008, but the case was dismissed by the plaintiff in 2009. As a result of the mishaps, Alexander lost his privileges at the hospital and was forced to pay a $3,500 fine to the Virginia Board of Medicine and complete ethics and professionalism training to maintain an unrestricted medical license in the state.[5]

          Following the release of his 2012 book Proof of Heaven, Esquire magazine reported that Alexander had been terminated or suspended from multiple hospital positions, and had been the subject of several malpractice lawsuits and that he settled five malpractice suits in Virginia within a period of ten years.[4][6

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          • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

            https://www.wired.com/2013/12/butter...ts-turbulence/

            From Wiki:
            While practicing medicine in Lynchburg at the Lynchburg General Hospital, Alexander was reprimanded by the Virginia Board of Medicine for performing surgery at an incorrect surgical site, two times over the course of a month. In one instance, Alexander altered his operative report because he believed the surgery had diminished the patient's symptoms. He was sued by the patient for damages totaling $3 million in August 2008, but the case was dismissed by the plaintiff in 2009. As a result of the mishaps, Alexander lost his privileges at the hospital and was forced to pay a $3,500 fine to the Virginia Board of Medicine and complete ethics and professionalism training to maintain an unrestricted medical license in the state.[5]

            Following the release of his 2012 book Proof of Heaven, Esquire magazine reported that Alexander had been terminated or suspended from multiple hospital positions, and had been the subject of several malpractice lawsuits and that he settled five malpractice suits in Virginia within a period of ten years.[4][6
            I didn't know about any of this.

            But in reading over your first paragraph, I have to wonder what the fuss is about. For example, what is "performing surgery at an incorrect surgical site"? And it also says the case was dismissed by the plaintiff... so was there nothing to it?

            In the article at the link you provided, the author provides this interesting statement: "Others, myself included, used the publicity for Alexander's story as an opportunity to discuss the neuroscience of near-death experiences. These are powerful, emotional experiences for many people, but there's good reason to believe that, rather than being evidence of an after-life, they are rooted in brain changes caused by medical trauma."

            Good reason to believe? What a load of BiaS. There is good reason to believe FOR SOME PEOPLE a UV light up your ass will cure covid.

            Also in the article, there is this: "In his book, Alexander says that his coma was caused by E. coli bacterial meningitis. But when Dittrich spoke with Dr. Laura Potter, one of the ER doctors who treated Alexander, she says she deliberately induced Alexander into a coma with chemicals, and kept him in that state for a week." So what? There is no point to be made here, he was still in a coma and he still had E. coli bacterial meningitis, something that only children normally get. They induced him into a coma to try and keep him alive, is what I think. It has no relevance to whether he had the experience he claims or not.

            Anyway, it does look like Dr. Alexander's career has not been quite as stellar as I thought. But.... is the implication that he wrote this book to make millions? I'm not really clear what is going on here. He DID have E. coli bacterial meningitis, he DID come out of it and recover totally which was unheard of, so something miraculous was going on.

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            • There is a cosmology I call "Wakefulness".

              There is only one existence, The Absolute. It is material and conscious.

              But the Absolute individuates itself in matter as the multiverse, containing multiple individuals.

              The goal of life is to recognize that one does not have his own individual ego......it is to recognize that one is actually existent as an individuation of the Absolute.

              One then lives accordingly.

              Bob

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              • Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post

                He DID have E. coli bacterial meningitis, he DID come out of it and recover totally which was unheard of, so something miraculous was going on.
                Over half of adult E. Coli meningitis patients survive, the majority of whom have no obvious neurologic deficits....
                Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Sunday, 5th September, 2021, 06:54 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                  There is a cosmology I call "Wakefulness".

                  There is only one existence, The Absolute. It is material and conscious.

                  But the Absolute individuates itself in matter as the multiverse, containing multiple individuals.

                  The goal of life is to recognize that one does not have his own individual ego......it is to recognize that one is actually existent as an individuation of the Absolute.

                  One then lives accordingly.

                  Bob
                  I am of the opinion that the Absolute Idea individuates itself so that we can come to understand what it is so that it can thereby come to understand itself, that this is a necessary process, and that the Absolute Idea cannot understand itself without ourselves doing the figuring out, or self-destructing before we reach the correct realization. My fear/guess is that we will self-destruct thereby eliminating the existence of the Absolute Idea, thus terminating this existence. Suffering will end at that point. Live accordingly, be loving if possible and have fun while you can. We are on the way out.

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                  • Originally posted by Brian Profit View Post
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                    Spreading lies about a lifesaving medication is a crime
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                    And your so-called garbage (unpublished in any medical or science journal) Mask "RCT" will never pass honest peer review in any medical or science journal. 40 years of mask RCTs not one ever showed masks prevent viral transmission so Brian comes up with this piece of garbage put out by an activist organization just published September 1st which did not exist before and is not peer-reviewed or published in any medical or scientific journal.
                    Here is what a true gold standard RCT on masks published in a medical journal looks like

                    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33205991/

                    This author eviscerates this fraud of a paper Brian posts very thoroughly.

                    "this is one of the worst studies I've ever seen in any field. it proves nothing apart from the credulity of many mask advocates. This one would get you laughed out of a 7th grade science fair.

                    it violates pretty much every single tenet of setting up and running a randomized controlled experiment. its output is not even sound enough to be wrong. it’s complete gibberish."


                    Details Here

                    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/b...Published=true


                    Of course, Brian likes posting fraudulent anti ivermectin news stories eagerly picked by the mainstream that Brain then parrots. By the way, repurposed antiparasitics have great antiviral, antibacterial, anti-cancer and antifungal properties. I was able to have a role in saving my brother-in-law's life from stage 3 (late stage) multiple myeloma as have many other lives been saved with these classes of drugs.
                    But Brian likes to call repurposed drugs of this type "horse medicine" because he has zero critical thinking ability and simply parrots what is in the news or put out by phama corrupted medical bureaucrats or govt officials.

                    https://twitter.com/veryvirology/sta...31296960958467



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                    • Hi Brad - apocalyptic projection for "Wakefulness"......when we have integrated into the Absolute, after death (If that is what happens), we can have a beer and see if your prediction holds.

                      Wakefulness believes however, I think, that a general "awakening" to the Absolute, may foster in humanity, a zeal for survival that does not currently exist.....so the Absolute will not go out of thinking existence.

                      We'll just watch to see if it is a "Train-wreck" or a "Renaissance".

                      Now that I think about the timeline, I think we'll need more than just one beer each!

                      Bob

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                      • As long as mankind has not committed suicide an awakening may be yet possible, but given our current course a permanent sleep seems far more likely to be the result that history is moving towards. I do hope that we wake up, but our vast arrogance and stupidity, and our callous disregard for the world we live in, not to mention our callous disregard for each other, will preclude the possibility unless some miraculous enlightenment takes place. And our time is now very short, if the pandemic did not wake us up, if climate change does not wake us up, if the fact that humans are responsible for the extinction of huge numbers of species does not wake us up, if the fact that the Americans elected a person like Donald Trump does not wake us up, then what will? Nothing, I am afraid.

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                        • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

                          Over half of adult E. Coli meningitis patients survive, the majority of whom have no obvious neurologic deficits....
                          Where did you get that from, Wikipedia?

                          From Alexander's book: "E. Coli meningitis is astronomically rare in adults. Newborns are the most common victims, but cases of babies any older than 3 months having it are exceedingly uncommon. Fewer than 1 in 10 million adults contract it spontaneously each year. ..... Of those who arrive in an emergency room with rapid downward spiral in neurologic function, as I did, only 10 percent are lucky enough to survive. However, their luck is limited, as many of them will spend the rest of their lives in a vegetative state."

                          Dr. Scott Wade, M.D. who treated Alexander when he arrived at the hospital in Virginia, wrote in an Appendix at the end of the book and conforms the less than 1 in 10 million adults per year figure. He also writes "The mortality rate for gram-negative meningitis in children and adults ranges from 40 to 80 percent. Dr. Alexander presented to the hospital with seizures and a markedly altered mental status, both of which are risk factors for neurological complications or death (mortality over 90 percent). .... he remained in a coma six days and hope for a quick recovery faded (mortality over 97 percent). Then, on the seventh day, the miraculous happened -- he opened his eyes, became alert, and was quickly weaned from the ventilator. The fact that he went on to have a full recovery from this illness after being in a coma for nearly a week is truly remarkable."

                          I READ THE BOOK -- DID YOU?

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                          • Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post


                            From Alexander's book: "E. Coli meningitis is astronomically rare in adults.
                            About 60 cases of adult E.Coli meningitis occur in the USA every year...that is a case every week...
                            Every month one or two recover completely from it in the USA, like your hero did...and there is no rationale to consider E. Coli separately from other equally deadly bacteria causing adult meningitis, which will just multiply the figures quoted...
                            Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Sunday, 5th September, 2021, 04:38 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Brad Thomson View Post

                              Live accordingly, be loving if possible and have fun while you can.
                              And, die without noticing.

                              Just like the much lauded and highly revered Cicada.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada...ogy)#Aristotle







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                              • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

                                About 60 cases of adult E.Coli meningitis occur in the USA every year...that is a case every week...
                                Every month one or two recover completely from it in the USA, like your hero did...and there is no rationale to consider E. Coli separately from other equally deadly bacteria causing adult meningitis, which will just multiply the figures quoted...
                                The fact that you would call Alexander my hero despite nothing like that having been written here says all I need to know about you. You are trolling and I won't have any further discussion with you beyond what I write in this post. He isn't a hero at all, he's someone who because of his position in life and his knowledge of the human brain was chosen by a higher power to have an incredibly rare experience and to tell the world about it. The message is that we all can have and in fact WILL have consciousness and rational thought without the human brain.

                                The important point about his E. Coli meningitis is that Alexander reached a point at which he had 97% chance of mortality, and even if he was to make the 3% who survive, at least 50% of those live their lives in a vegetable state. He came out of it in an instant, alert and with no mental damage, far beyond any medical explanation, and there is still no explanation of how he even got the disease.

                                For a disease that afflicts 1 in 10 million per year, for it to suddenly and unexpectedly hit of all people a world-famous brain neurosurgeon is a miracle in and of itself. And then he becomes by some other miracle one of less than 3% who get the disease and reach his status of seizures and mental incapacity to survive. Together those mathematical odds are astounding, and if you don't agree, you don't know statistics.

                                You have every right to your opinion, which is obviously that his story is somehow bogus. I am assuming you are likely an atheist. But your attempts to discredit Alexander and make him out to be some sort of con artist are pathetic. I won't give you any more discussion.

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