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Since this thread has had a minor hijack into Canadian Open cross-table research......can anyone tell me how I find the cross-table for the first Canadian Open I played in.....1966 Kingston?? And how I might find my 1966 CFC Rating (before and after the CO)?
Since this thread has had a minor hijack into Canadian Open cross-table research......can anyone tell me how I find the cross-table for the first Canadian Open I played in.....1966 Kingston?? And how I might find my 1966 CFC Rating (before and after the CO)?
(and INDEED the crosstables are still there! This is part of an archive maintained by Stephen Wright in B.C. - publisher of the BCCF bulletin...)
If you check that crosstable for 1968 there is an "Armstrong" from Sarnia who scored 5.5 and ended up in 86th place...
[ I vivdly recall losing to Vranesic in Round 1 and never really recovering from that - lol - I ended up with 4.5 and 115th place ]
Hi Kerry:
Thanks. Nice to know my memory isn't always shot to h***! I see that was 11 rounds at the time! I'm pleased to have gotten 50%. Think my rating at the time was likely only in the mid-1600's? Anyone have the 1968 Oct. Canadian Chess Chat.......is there a ratings list in the back? If so, would you mind telling me if I'm close on my rating in 1968 (before or after the 1968 CO?)?
By the way.......are there rating lists somewhere in the CFC database this far back?
Bob A
P.S. I was in pretty high-flying company in the first three rounds! Had forgotten....Rd. 1 Defeated Ignas Zalys of Montreal; Rd. 2 Lost to Peter Murray of London (finished with 7 pts.); Rd. 3 Lost to Sammy Kleinplatz of Montreal (finished with 7 pts.) .......
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Monday, 15 December, 2014, 05:40 PM.
There were a lot of us on chesstalk who played in that. For my part, it seems Kerry was the only one I was paired against. I probably still have the score sheet around somewhere.
If you check that crosstable for 1968 there is an "Armstrong" from Sarnia who scored 5.5 and ended up in 86th place...
[ I vivdly recall losing to Vranesic in Round 1 and never really recovering from that - lol - I ended up with 4.5 and 115th place ]
I was pretty disappointed with my performance in that event. It was a clear indicator I couldn't take years off from serious events and score well. So, when I realized I couldn't play anymore, I did what most others who come to that realization do. I decided to organize. :D
Anyhow, I really enjoyed the years I organized at the Scarborough Club and I hope the members also enjoyed it.
I also enjoyed the years I worked for correspondence chess, nationally and internationally. I have to tell you there were two or three players who absolutely hated me. Mostly I pretended not to notice.
The old site is still there, but new materials are only being added at http://bcchesshistory.com/. Nearly all the Canadian Open crosstables can be found using the link on the home page - coincidentally I only added 1988 and 1989 this morning. These same crosstables are also on the CFC site, although maybe a bit harder to find unless you know where to look ...
1968 was the one at U of T wasn't it? I played in it.....remember staying in one of the residences (my memory good on this one?). Was my second CO (first was, I believe in 1966 in Kingston.....that right?).
Bob A
Yes, 1968 Canadian Open was at Hart House... not sure about the one before.
I found the crosstables from the 1968 and 1970 CO on my home machine... inspecting the file indicates that I downloaded it from:
(and INDEED the crosstables are still there! This is part of an archive maintained by Stephen Wright in B.C. - publisher of the BCCF bulletin...)
If you check that crosstable for 1968 there is an "Armstrong" from Sarnia who scored 5.5 and ended up in 86th place...
[ I vivdly recall losing to Vranesic in Round 1 and never really recovering from that - lol - I ended up with 4.5 and 115th place ]
I won the City of Winnipeg in 1963 and still have the trophy and certificate. I can't recall ELO ratings back then. After that I think I only played a couple of events until a Canadian Open in 1968. Way too busy getting married and starting a family.
Hi Gary:
1968 was the one at U of T wasn't it? I played in it.....remember staying in one of the residences (my memory good on this one?). Was my second CO (first was, I believe in 1966 in Kingston.....that right?).
I think Harry won the City of Winnipeg championship in the 30's or 40's at least once. I don't know when the ELO rating system began to be applied, but it may be difficult to compare playing strengths without it.
I won the City of Winnipeg in 1963 and still have the trophy and certificate. I can't recall ELO ratings back then. After that I think I only played a couple of events until a Canadian Open in 1968. Way too busy getting married and starting a family.
FYI, in 1996, after Harry passed away and before Abe did, we had several Harry Yanofsky Memorial chess tournaments in Winnipeg. As Exclam! editor I wrote a few articles about him, but I would have to look at them again to remember much of what I wrote. There is an issue with Harry's photo on the cover. [Of course there is at least one with Abe's photo - see here on my blog.]
I think Harry won the City of Winnipeg championship in the 30's or 40's at least once. I don't know when the ELO rating system began to be applied, but it may be difficult to compare playing strengths without it.
After Abe passed away in 2000, the premier chess event in Winnipeg was, thereafter, the Abe Yanofsky Memorial. It still is.
Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Monday, 15 December, 2014, 12:05 PM.
Reason: Abe's photo
CAN-ch Winnipeg CAN 1963
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6
1 Yanofsky,Abe * ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 1 ½ 1 1 1 1 1 ½ 1 13.0/15
2 Vranesic,Zvonko ½ * 0 1 ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 1 1 11.5/15
3 Macskasy,Elod 0 1 * 0 1 ½ ½ 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 10.0/15
4 Fuster,Geza 0 0 1 * ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 1 0 1 1 ½ 1 9.5/15 62.25
5 Joyner,Lionel ½ ½ 0 ½ * 0 ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 1 9.5/15 60.25
6 Lipnowski,Irwin 0 ½ ½ ½ 1 * ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 9.0/15
7 Witt,Laszlo 0 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 8.5/15
8 Kalotay,Andrew 0 0 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ ½ 8.0/15 53.00
9 Suttles,Duncan ½ ½ 0 0 0 ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 8.0/15 48.75
10 Yanofsky,Harry 0 0 0 0 ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ * ½ 1 1 0 1 1 7.5/15
11 Vaitonis,Paul 0 ½ 0 0 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ * 1 ½ 0 1 1 6.5/15
12 Hoover,Walter 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 * ½ ½ 1 ½ 4.5/15 28.50
13 Hirsch,Robert 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ * 1 ½ 0 4.5/15 28.25
14 Allan,Denis 0 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 0 0 1 1 ½ 0 * ½ ½ 4.0/15
15 Schulman,Mark ½ 0 0 ½ 0 0 0 ½ 0 0 0 0 ½ ½ * 1 3.5/15
16 Patrick,Alex 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 0 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 * 2.5/15
If it was held in Winnipeg the time period would be right. I recall Howard Rideout playing but can't recall if both Abe and Harry played in that one. Howard was a strong player in his younger years.
Of course Peter Biyiasis and Ruth Haring. And after the 1971 World Students Championship in Mayaquez, Puerto Rico, there was an open tournament in San Juan where Duncan Suttles and Bruce Amos played. And Dobrilla Suttles also played and scored 50%! She knew enough chess to get acceptable positions and then offered draws which were accepted. I don't remember if I heard that account from Bruce or from the Suttles, but they did stop in Toronto on their way back and stayed with me for a few days.
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