2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

[Derek England]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Let's please not have politics pollute every topic on this forum. This one should only be to discuss chess in the olympiad

Hear hear. It's not a bad thing to care about politics, but seizing the opportunity to publicly vent and rage about their pet causes every single day puts those who do so in the same league as e-mail spammers — disrespectful of others' time. There's a tournament going on, folks, and this is the thread for it.

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Your post discusses how Kirsan's maneuvers resulted in the russian women's team playing:

"Ilyumzhinov exploited the other excluded federations...as an excuse to pressure the Olympiad’s organizers in Norway into allowing the Russian women’s team to play"

Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.

I am no Ilyumzhinov apologist by any stretch, but I just don't see your point of view on this one.

THe RCF consists of Kirsan's and Putin's cronies.
"The Russian Chess Federation—which nominated Ilyumzhinov for reelection—recently appointed a new board of trustees that is chaired by Putin’s press secretary, Dmitri Peskov, and that includes such famous chess luminaries as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, and Kremlin-connected businessman Gennady Timchenko, who has been sanctioned by the US government over Putin’s aggression in Ukraine".
The RCF and FIDE/Kirsan (basically they are not independent organizations but instead corrupted and intertwined entities) have broken many rules as outlined above and the only reason the OC relented was under threat of the entire Olympiad being cancelled aand being embroiled in litigation. FIDES rule 6.1 basically allows any contract FIDE signs with a sponsor to be rendered null and void thus any sponsor in future would be crazy to deal with FIDE. If Kirsan wins the election Norway will probably be the last legitimate western sponsor of an Olympiad ever.
The last time the RCF had legitimate chess players running it was before the 2010 FIDE election when the RCF supported Karpov instead of Kirsan and their office were raided, the legitimate federation officials were kicked out and charged with trumped up charges and replaced by Russian govt thugs and friends of Kirsan that then supported him instead.

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Your post discusses how Kirsan's maneuvers resulted in the russian women's team playing:

"Ilyumzhinov exploited the other excluded federations...as an excuse to pressure the Olympiad’s organizers in Norway into allowing the Russian women’s team to play"

Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.

I am no Ilyumzhinov apologist by any stretch, but I just don't see your point of view on this one.

THe RCF consists of Kirsan's and Putin's cronies.
"The Russian Chess Federation—which nominated Ilyumzhinov for reelection—recently appointed a new board of trustees that is chaired by Putin’s press secretary, Dmitri Peskov, and that includes such famous chess luminaries as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, and Kremlin-connected businessman Gennady Timchenko, who has been sanctioned by the US government over Putin’s aggression in Ukraine".
The RCF and FIDE/Kirsan (basically they are not independent organizations but instead corrupted and intertwined entities) have broken many rules as outlined above and the only reason the OC relented was under threat of the entire Olympiad being cancelled aand being embroiled in litigation. FIDES rule 6.1 basically allows any contract FIDE signs with a sponsor to be rendered null and void thus any sponsor in future would be crazy to deal with FIDE. If Kirsan wins the election Norway will probably be the last legitimate western sponsor of an Olympiad ever.
The last time the RCF had legitimate chess players running it was before the 2010 FIDE election when the RCF supported Karpov instead of Kirsan and their office were raided, the legitimate federation officials were kicked out and charged with trumped up charges and replaced by Russian govt thugs and friends of Kirsan that then supported him instead.

[Nigel Hanrahan]

boilerplate politics OR Why Kasparov's campaign makes no sense

Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.

There's a great deal that makes no sense at all from the Kasparov camp, unless you look at the bigger picture. In that picture, everything bad flows from Russia (and Putin in particular), and the facts are irrelevant inconveniences. The flip side of the idea that the (US) Empire can do no wrong is that (fill in the blank) can do nothing right. The blank has been: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc. Today it is Russia.

So Kirsan is connected, by guilt by association, with Putin's Russia, which is evil. No proof is necessary, and any fabrication will do. e.g., - the Ukrainian military can shoot down a passenger airliner, but the Russians are to blame. The Kiev regime can carry out ethnic cleansing in east Ukraine but the Russians are "planning" to invade that country. A government can be formed with neo-Nazis but the Russians are to blame. See how easy it is? Putin has been made into a convenient scapegoat for all that's wrong in the world, just as Saddam Hussein was, as Muammar Gaddafi was, as Bashar Al-Assad was. Since Kirsan, in this boilerplate argument, is associated with Putin's Russia, all you have to do is say "Russia" and the rest falls into place. Repeat as necessary.

And now, what seems wrong-headed makes perfect sense.

The last straw: the US threatened Moscow with grave consequences if Russia unilaterally intervenes in Ukraine with the goal to provide humanitarian aid. Even when Russia wants to help refugees this is interpreted as an aggressive action. Up is down. Black is white.

"... any attempt to deliver humanitarian aid will be considered an invasion."

[David Ottosen]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Read my original post pertaining to this above and i am sure that you can figure it out. It is self explanatory.

Your post discusses how Kirsan's maneuvers resulted in the russian women's team playing:

"Ilyumzhinov exploited the other excluded federations...as an excuse to pressure the Olympiad’s organizers in Norway into allowing the Russian women’s team to play"

Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.

I am no Ilyumzhinov apologist by any stretch, but I just don't see your point of view on this one.

[Bindi Cheng]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Let's please not have politics pollute every topic on this forum. This one should only be to discuss chess in the olympiad

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

How does kirsan fit into this? The Norway organizers were sued for trying to enforce the rules.

Read my original post pertaining to this above and i am sure that you can figure it out. It is self explanatory.

[Peter McKillop]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

How does kirsan fit into this? ...

From the rear.

[David Ottosen]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Yes,. you can thank Kirsan for all of this and our CFC executive that endorses him.

How does kirsan fit into this? The Norway organizers were sued for trying to enforce the rules.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Let's wait to see if those prices happen. Sounds like scare tactics to me.

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Tromso Olympiad 2014

Peter Doggers writing on the chess.com website

http://www.chess.com/news/olympiad-r...n-section-7241

mentions that the American lawyers the RCF used were very expensive and that they charged $200,000 “just for writing a letter”!


It is feared that if the Olympiad Organizing Committee’s assets are immediately frozen that the price of a can of Red Bull at the

Tromso 7-11 will jump to 100 CND and an open-face sandwich to 284 CDN and we will have to organize a food drive for the

members of our two teams.

Yes,. you can thank Kirsan for all of this and our CFC executive that endorses him.

[Wayne Komer]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Tromso Olympiad 2014

Peter Doggers writing on the chess.com website

http://www.chess.com/news/olympiad-r...n-section-7241

mentions that the American lawyers the RCF used were very expensive and that they charged $200,000 “just for writing a letter”!


It is feared that if the Olympiad Organizing Committee’s assets are immediately frozen that the price of a can of Red Bull at the

Tromso 7-11 will jump to 100 CND and an open-face sandwich to 284 CDN and we will have to organize a food drive for the

members of our two teams.

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Tromso Olympiad 2014

August 8, 2014

Now let’s see if I’ve got this right:

1. The Russian Chess Federation (RCF) delayed reporting Ukrainian Kateryna Lagno on its team for the Olympiad because the transfer wasn’t completed.

2. The cost of the transfer fee to RCF was 5000 euros.

3. The Olympiad Organising Committee rejected the RCF’s Women’s Team for late registration.

4. The RCF hired a first-class law firm, Quinn Emanuel, to represent its interests in the exclusion of the women’s national team from the Olympiad.

5. The Organising Committee caved and the RCF team with Kateryna Lagno is playing in Tromso. The Organising Committee or COT2014, finished their letter to FIDE President Ilyumzhinov with a bit of bravado, saying that they “hoped for a positive and constructive dialogue with FIDE up to and during the Chess Olympiad and with no further legal threats”.

6. First-class law firms and 5000-euro transfer fees have drained the coffers of the RCF.

7. It is only logical that the RCF tries to recover all of the monies it lost from the Olympiad Organising Committee battle and as soon as possible because, otherwise, in a week or so the players will pack up and go home, the Committee will be dissolved and virtually unsueable. All the money it presently has might be spent on running the Games and there will be none left at the end.

8. RCF has engaged Law firm Østgård DA of Tromsø to act on its behalf in the legal action taken before the Tromsø District Court against the COT2014, the RCF lawyer said.

The claim against the organizers of the Chess Olympiad is for the equivalent of NOK 1.2 million (around USD 200,000), to cover the RCF cost of hiring lawyers to protest their initial exclusion from the Chess Olympiad.

9. Of course, the RCF will have to pay Østgård as well. This all never really ends, does it?

You forgot about this part.

http://kasparov2014.com/2014/07/25/k...e-federations/

"Ilyumzhinov exploited the other excluded federations, the federations his administration had just robbed of their votes, as an excuse to pressure the Olympiad’s organizers in Norway into allowing the Russian women’s team to play. Now that Russia is in, with Lagno, of course Gabon and Afghanistan are again punished and ignored. It is a disgrace for our sport that the Ilyumzhinov administration is committing such actions.

Kirsan’s administration is breaking all records, both for youngest Olympiad players and for levels of corruption.

As has been well documented, the valid and long-standing federation of Gabon and its president were suddenly replaced by the FIDE Secretariat after they announced support for Kasparov. This made it impossible for their Olympiad teams to be registered in time. Now, having been given a second chance by the Norwegian organizers, the catastrophe of Ilyumzhinov’s dirty trick is revealed. This “new president” (approved by the Kirsan loyalists on the Electoral Commission!), Gabin Nicaise Yala, has no connections with the players or anyone else in the Gabonese chess community and could not arrange to send teams. When pressed, after several days he submitted a “team” with made-up FIDE IDs that is composed mainly of his own family members, including his young children! Another member of this “team” is a former official who has already publicly disavowed any connection with this new fake organization!

Kirsan’s administration is breaking all records, both for youngest Olympiad players and for levels of corruption. We have ample evidence and correspondence that proves that this entire project of destroying the official Gabon federation was orchestrated by Lewis Ncube, Ilyumzhinov’s vice-president in Africa.

The similar case vote-stealing in Afghanistan also had a ruinous continuation. The legitimate federation president was simply deleted by Nigel Freeman, also after Afghanistan supported Kasparov publicly. The author of the letter used to justify this crime was signed by Mr. Kiramuddin Karim, who has no actual authority over the Chess Federation or the National Olympic Committee. Of course the same four Ilyumzhinov supporters on the Electoral Commission saw no problem with this at all.

“..misuse of authority, holding illegal presidential elections of the national federations (Wushu, Taekwondo, Chess…”

The Afghanistan National Assembly apparently does not agree however, and we have obtained a letter from its Complaint Commission requesting criminal charges against Kiramuddin Karim regarding, “Afghanistan National Olympic Committee complaints regarding illegal interference” including “..misuse of authority, holding illegal presidential elections of the national federations (Wushu, Taekwondo, Chess…) and assigning non-professional persons (Haji Almas as president of the chess federation, Mr. Rabani Rabani as president of the Taekwondo federation…)” and concluded by declaring that he “must be prosecuted by Attorney General of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.” [ See signed letter below. ] Meanwhile, the first act of this “new delegate,” who lives in Moscow, was to cancel the participation of the Afghan women’s team. Gens Una Sumus?"



"This all never really ends, does it?"
Yes you are correct, as long as the CFC and other federations support corrupt crooks like Kirsan it never will end and chess will continue in its current pathetic state with no legitimate commercial sponsorship. The world chess championship in Sochi being a good example as there were no other takers/sponsors and even this match has no signed contract, simply an announcement that it will happen.
The decision of the CFC executive to support Kirsan is disgusting and is one that i will never forget.

[Wayne Komer]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad

Tromso Olympiad 2014

August 8, 2014

Now let’s see if I’ve got this right:

1. The Russian Chess Federation (RCF) delayed reporting Ukrainian Kateryna Lagno on its team for the Olympiad because the transfer wasn’t completed.

2. The cost of the transfer fee to RCF was 5000 euros.

3. The Olympiad Organising Committee rejected the RCF’s Women’s Team for late registration.

4. The RCF hired a first-class law firm, Quinn Emanuel, to represent its interests in the exclusion of the women’s national team from the Olympiad.

5. The Organising Committee caved and the RCF team with Kateryna Lagno is playing in Tromso. The Organising Committee or COT2014, finished their letter to FIDE President Ilyumzhinov with a bit of bravado, saying that they “hoped for a positive and constructive dialogue with FIDE up to and during the Chess Olympiad and with no further legal threats”.

6. First-class law firms and 5000-euro transfer fees have drained the coffers of the RCF.

7. It is only logical that the RCF tries to recover all of the monies it lost from the Olympiad Organising Committee battle and as soon as possible because, otherwise, in a week or so the players will pack up and go home, the Committee will be dissolved and virtually unsueable. All the money it presently has might be spent on running the Games and there will be none left at the end.

8. RCF has engaged Law firm Østgård DA of Tromsø to act on its behalf in the legal action taken before the Tromsø District Court against the COT2014, the RCF lawyer said.

The claim against the organizers of the Chess Olympiad is for the equivalent of NOK 1.2 million (around USD 200,000), to cover the RCF cost of hiring lawyers to protest their initial exclusion from the Chess Olympiad.

9. Of course, the RCF will have to pay Østgård as well. This all never really ends, does it?

[Andrei Botez]

Re: 2014 Tromsø Chess Olympiad