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While I believe Kasparov is not an amazing choice for the job of FIDE president, I don't see him doing a worse job than Kirsan and by the polls numbers it would seem the majority of people who decided to vote would also prefer to see Kasparov in place.
The current FIDE administration's incompetence is well known, and even the Olympiad might be in trouble now (source: http://www.chess.com/news/troms-olym...n-trouble-3259 ). Adding the World Cup as a requirement to the bidding process when Norway's chess federation had already discussed funding with the government beforehand has led to 2 million extra euros being required and the government is not allowing this increase in funding. Forcing a country to host another massive tournament when likely money would be strained from simply the Olympiad seems like a very poor decision by FIDE, but it is nothing unexpected.
Adam, thank you for your post. Who would you suggest be an amazing choice for the job? Obama? Putin? Lincoln? Lenin? Moses? Stalin? At least Kasparov's name is already a part of human civilization, in fact if elected he's facing enormous challenges and I don't think he'll fail.
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While I believe Kasparov is not an amazing choice for the job of FIDE president, I don't see him doing a worse job than Kirsan and by the polls numbers it would seem the majority of people who decided to vote would also prefer to see Kasparov in place.
The current FIDE administration's incompetence is well known, and even the Olympiad might be in trouble now (source: http://www.chess.com/news/troms-olym...n-trouble-3259 ). Adding the World Cup as a requirement to the bidding process when Norway's chess federation had already discussed funding with the government beforehand has led to 2 million extra euros being required and the government is not allowing this increase in funding. Forcing a country to host another massive tournament when likely money would be strained from simply the Olympiad seems like a very poor decision by FIDE, but it is nothing unexpected.
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Reason: changed a word
Last time the incoming Assembly of Governors discussed FIDE President election at 2010 CFC AGM and delegated this issue to the Executive - please see 2010 CFC AGM Minutes in the GL#1: http://chess.ca/sites/default/files/10-11gl1.pdf
10. Other business
A. FIDE Presidential election
There was a discussion on how Canada should vote: Kirsan Iljumzinov (incumbent), Anatoly
Karpov, or abstain. A straw vote indicated an equal split amongst the three choices. FIDE
Representative Hal Bond stated that he wanted to be directed on Canada's vote. He preferred that
this direction be given by the Executive.
Tabled to the Executive to direct Hal Bond on how Canada will vote in the 2010 FIDE President
election.
Thank you, Michael, for valuable information. Is there any reason that it could be done differently in 2014 beside the wishes of the President?
Yes I do. Only incoming Assembly of Governors could delerate its Power to anybody, so if the present Assembly has not delegated its Power (in writing, of course) to you or the directors your and/or directors' vote could be outright illegal. Agree?
Yes, Sasha, you're right.
Last time the incoming Assembly of Governors discussed FIDE President election at 2010 CFC AGM and delegated this issue to the Executive - please see 2010 CFC AGM Minutes in the GL#1: http://chess.ca/sites/default/files/10-11gl1.pdf
10. Other business
A. FIDE Presidential election
There was a discussion on how Canada should vote: Kirsan Iljumzinov (incumbent), Anatoly
Karpov, or abstain. A straw vote indicated an equal split amongst the three choices. FIDE
Representative Hal Bond stated that he wanted to be directed on Canada's vote. He preferred that
this direction be given by the Executive.
Tabled to the Executive to direct Hal Bond on how Canada will vote in the 2010 FIDE President
election.
Whatever you'll decide, remember that Motions must be tabled (that excludes running for any officer or Exec positions). Everything else is just puff and huff, as this poll and thread show.
Thank you, I'm not going to rush into anything that is not well thought out. Everything I'll do will be to the benefits of Canadian Chess!
I've had dreams that one day I'll have enough time to dedicate all my time to chess, including its organization, politics and so on. This is one of the reasons I've accepted a position in the incoming Board of Governors. And only after becoming a Governor I would figure out what needs to be done. However after looking at the FIDE's vote issue, I'm realizing that the actions would have to be taken much sooner. Right now I'm evaluating different options to persue.
Whatever you'll decide, remember that Motions must be tabled (that excludes running for any officer or Exec positions). Everything else is just puff and huff, as this poll and thread show.
I've had dreams that one day I'll have enough time to dedicate all my time to chess, including its organization, politics and so on. This is one of the reasons I've accepted a position in the incoming Board of Governors. And only after becoming a Governor I would figure out what needs to be done. However after looking at the FIDE's vote issue, I'm realizing that the actions would have to be taken much sooner. Right now I'm evaluating different options to persue.
Probably. Bottom line, it's a board game. One with many positive qualities, but ultimately a board game. There is nothing that gives it exhalted status.
I like darts. In my teens I was part of a dart league, I played with my family, and I watched it on TV. There was a skill involved that you needed to train. Not very different than chess. Just different muscles being exercised.
Yes, it's a board game happened to be a part of human history, culture, being tought at schools in many countries, and so on. And btw I like darts too! )))
Sasha, your statement that the Governors had these powers all these years is debatable. Vlad's stance is that this is the roll of the Executive. At issue is what constitutes day-to-day activities, as opposed to policies. There are all sorts of examples I could point to, as can Bob Armstrong, where the Executive and Governors differ on such matters. And the Governors elect the Executive, so it isn't as if they are not us.
We as Governors have one tool to resolve matters like these, namely to table motions to clarify duties. Motion passes or fails, and matter is resolved.
If the Executive has to put every decision it makes to the Governors for approval, then nothing gets accomplished. If the Executive completely ignores the Governors, then you have annual dictatorships. The middle ground accomplishes the best for all, but this ground continually shifts.
Fair enough, I'm trying to make a sense of a situation, where there is a President imposing his will on the CFC's Membership concerning FIDE's election: the result of his own poll suggests the overwhelming support for one of the candidates. So while looking at different options of dealing with this cituation, I've realized that the issue is perhaps much bigger then just CFC's vote.
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the status of chess in the World is comparable probably to... darts. ... or this is all the chess actually deserves?
Probably. Bottom line, it's a board game. One with many positive qualities, but ultimately a board game. There is nothing that gives it exhalted status.
I like darts. In my teens I was part of a dart league, I played with my family, and I watched it on TV. There was a skill involved that you needed to train. Not very different than chess. Just different muscles being exercised.
Sasha, your statement that the Governors had these powers all these years is debatable. Vlad's stance is that this is the roll of the Executive. At issue is what constitutes day-to-day activities, as opposed to policies. There are all sorts of examples I could point to, as can Bob Armstrong, where the Executive and Governors differ on such matters. And the Governors elect the Executive, so it isn't as if they are not us.
We as Governors have one tool to resolve matters like these, namely to table motions to clarify duties. Motion passes or fails, and matter is resolved.
If the Executive has to put every decision it makes to the Governors for approval, then nothing gets accomplished. If the Executive completely ignores the Governors, then you have annual dictatorships. The middle ground accomplishes the best for all, but this ground continually shifts.
Do you mean the CFC? I can't imagine there will be a serious alternative.
Changing presidents every year, and those who don't complete terms for whatever reason, doesn't give the organization the appearance of stability which helps to instill confidence and retain a membership. In my opinion, of course. An ED who lasts more than a year or two would also help.
The FIDE election won't likely be decided by 1 vote.
I am running again as I mentioned previously. People from other federations are incredulous when I tell them that we have an election every year. I don't think I could have committed to a four year term as they have in many countries with the way my health was going when I was first approached to run. Things seem to have turned around healthwise but it was really questionable whether I would be able to handle it. I certainly wouldn't want to commit to more than one year at this point though I might consider a third. Hopefully other candidates will emerge by the end of my tenure.
The membership numbers are a cause for serious concern. There is no way to sugar coat that.
Looks like we'll be discussing a different presidential campaign soon.
Do you mean the CFC? I can't imagine there will be a serious alternative.
Changing presidents every year, and those who don't complete terms for whatever reason, doesn't give the organization the appearance of stability which helps to instill confidence and retain a membership. In my opinion, of course. An ED who lasts more than a year or two would also help.
The FIDE election won't likely be decided by 1 vote.
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