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You've admitted earlier that the old CFC's Handbook rules:
1. ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Chess Federation of Canada shall be governed by an Assembly of Governors (hereinafter called the Assembly) comprising of:
Those persons elected or appointed as Governors by a provincial or territorial association (hereinafter called a provincial association); and Governors at large.
7. POWERS OF THE ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Assembly shall have plenary powers to exercise in the name of the Federation all powers that the Federation has accorded to it by its Constitution and the Canada Corporations Act (Part II).
These are some of the matters reserved exclusively to the assembly of Governors:
the election or removal of a Director(s) or Officer(s), unless otherwise provided for in the by-laws,
the changing of the titles, duties and responsibilities of the directors and officers,
9. DELEGATION OF POWERS
The Assembly may delegate any of its powers to the Board of Directors, or to the President or other person or persons. Where a power is delegated to the Board of Directors the Board may in turn delegate such power to the President or other member of the Board of Directors and such delegation shall be deemed to have been made by the Assembly.
When the Assembly of Governors did delegate its power to vote for the candidate for position of the FIDE's President either to you or the Board of Directors?
I think I have wasted enough time with you. Unless you have something new to contribute I will have to stop responding to you. I see exactly where you are going with this. I am dealing with the CFC that I inherited and not the one that I created. Will I cooperate with the games that you want to play to twist the CFC`s structure so that you can deliver a vote and endorsement to Gary in the full realization that playing those games could unravel the compromises that we engaged in to pass the new NFP compliant bylaws, articles and structure. No, not much. Do you need mine or the executive`s cooperation to play your game between meetings. Yes you do.
This whole NFP process was a big time sink that had to be done. It took a lot of the governors, the executive and my own time. It took time that I could have spent organizing tournaments and preparing the Windsor kids for tournaments. Unfortunately it was absolutely necessary if we wanted the CFC to even continue to exist. Our real problem here is not who is going to be the next FIDE president. Our real problem here is what we can do to improve the lot of chessplayers here in Canada and encourage more people to play chess. Pretty much everything else needs to be subservient to that.
If you want to see a CFC endorsement and vote for your candidate then feel free to discuss it. If you want to heap abuse on the executive and me for taking a strategic view of the CFC`s interests you will not further your cause. As far as I can tell you don`t have any sneaky maneuvers available to you without my cooperation or that of the executive. Of course I could be wrong on that and if I am I guess we will find out soon enough.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Wednesday, 14th May, 2014, 10:06 PM.
The executive will vote based on their own individual due diligence to the question of which candidate will be best for the interests of Canada and its chessplayers and what is best for world chess. The delegate will vote in accord with the outcome of that vote of the executive. The delegate will also have one of seven votes.
You've admitted earlier that the old CFC's Handbook rules:
1. ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Chess Federation of Canada shall be governed by an Assembly of Governors (hereinafter called the Assembly) comprising of:
Those persons elected or appointed as Governors by a provincial or territorial association (hereinafter called a provincial association); and Governors at large.
7. POWERS OF THE ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Assembly shall have plenary powers to exercise in the name of the Federation all powers that the Federation has accorded to it by its Constitution and the Canada Corporations Act (Part II). These are some of the matters reserved exclusively to the assembly of Governors:
the election or removal of a Director(s) or Officer(s), unless otherwise provided for in the by-laws,
the changing of the titles, duties and responsibilities of the directors and officers,
9. DELEGATION OF POWERS
The Assembly may delegate any of its powers to the Board of Directors, or to the President or other person or persons. Where a power is delegated to the Board of Directors the Board may in turn delegate such power to the President or other member of the Board of Directors and such delegation shall be deemed to have been made by the Assembly. When the Assembly of Governors did delegate its power to vote for the candidate for position of the FIDE's President either to you or the Board of Directors?
Last edited by Sasha Starr; Wednesday, 14th May, 2014, 09:18 PM.
I'm talking here about a Governors' vote to have CFC's vote and possibly endorsement for one of the candidates for the position of FIDE's President.
There is no doubt that I could have facilitated an attempted coup. Two or three days for a constitutional amendment seems a bit of a rushed timeline in my opinion.
So a few minutes ago you even didn't know if CFC has met requirements, furthermore, you even didn't need to know.
The contention by the Kasparov proponents are that I can't trust anything that anyone tells me. Do I personally check that we have met every deadline. No I don't. I already spend way too much time just dealing with everything that I have to deal with.
And you are not planning to attend the Congress. This is inconsistent with your digging into KI and GK's personal traits, starting your poll, insisting that you are trying to get elected a candidate who is the best for Canada, fighting here with several Members and non Members...
Even though I am not planning to attend the FIDE congress that does not absolve me of doing the due diligence required to cast an informed vote in the executive meeting that will decide Canada's vote.
The executive will vote based on their own individual due diligence to the question of which candidate will be best for the interests of Canada and its chessplayers and what is best for world chess. The delegate will vote in accord with the outcome of that vote of the executive. The delegate will also have one of seven votes. Now that we have established that we can get back to our regularly scheduled bickering.
What a mess!
Only in your mind. It all seems quite orderly to me.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Wednesday, 14th May, 2014, 07:53 PM.
Please do not put your words in my quote. I did not say that, you did. I have moved your words into your quoted text.
There is no doubt that I could have facilitated an attempted coup. Two or three days for a constitutional amendment seems a bit of a rushed timeline in my opinion.
I'm talking here about a Governors' vote to have CFC's vote and possibly endorsement for one of the candidates for the position of FIDE's President.
I have been told that we have met the requirements. I have no reason to doubt that we have met the requirements. If we are going to quibble over every word this is going to be rather long and tedious. You can check the FIDE website as easily as I can. This is not inside information and should hardly come as a shock to anyone who looked. I did not know this until a few minutes ago because I didn't need to know it. I had no plans to attend the Congress.
So a few minutes ago you even didn't know if CFC has met requirements, furthermore, you even didn't need to know that. And you are not planning to attend the Congress either. This is inconsistent with your digging into KI and GK's personal traits, starting your poll, insisting that you are trying to get elected a candidate who is the best for Canada, fighting here with several Members and non Members... What a mess!
Last edited by Sasha Starr; Wednesday, 14th May, 2014, 07:26 PM.
The issue is already in public, the discussion is open, the opinions are being voiced out, and if you are aware about secret plots and agreements, tell us, please!
Thinking is great, but a simple vote done in a matter of 2-3 days would've solved the problem!
Please do not put your words in my quote. I did not say that, you did. I have moved your words into your quoted text.
There is no doubt that I could have facilitated an attempted coup. Two or three days for a constitutional amendment seems a bit of a rushed timeline in my opinion.
FIDE regulations that seem to apply here. (I believe that these have been met by Canada. If not we don't even get a vote.) Again "I believe" - that doesn't sound correct, please be straight with CFC Members and inform us: has Canada met FIDE requirements or it has not?
I have been told that we have met the requirements. I have no reason to doubt that we have met the requirements. If we are going to quibble over every word this is going to be rather long and tedious. You can check the FIDE website as easily as I can. This is not inside information and should hardly come as a shock to anyone who looked. I did not know this until a few minutes ago because I didn't need to know it. I had no plans to attend the Congress.
[QUOTE=Vlad Drkulec;80534]FIDE regulations that seem to apply here. (I believe that these have been met by Canada. If not we don't even get a vote.) Again "I believe" - that doesn't sound correct, please be straight with CFC Members and inform us: has Canada met FIDE requirements or it has not?
Vlad, that doesn't sound correct. The FIDE Rep would normally be the delegate. Since we have CFC elections on the horizon, how could our delegate have already been selected?
Maybe, you should take a pause from chesstalk postings, and allow some time for consultation with the executive. Give them a chance to catch up. :)
FIDE regulations that seem to apply here. (I believe that these have been met by Canada. If not we don't even get a vote.)
From FIDE Handbook:
6.
Notice of participation
6.1
Not later than 4 months before the beginning of the Congress every Federation that wishes to participate must send written notice of this to the organising Federation of the administrator who represents it.
6.2
At the same time, copies of the notice of participation are to be sent to the FIDE General Secretary and the President of the Zone to which the Federation belongs.
I don't spend much time on FIDE issues until something is escalated for my (or the executive's) attention and input and rely on Hal Bond and the Executive Director to handle the large volume of business and deadlines and payments which FIDE imposes on us. When I say "I believe" something it means that to the best of my knowledge this has been handled by the people who are either elected to handle that in the case of Hal or paid to do it in the case of the Executive Director Michael von Keitz.
If we waited until our AGM to appoint the delegate we might not get a vote. Now it is possible that I am referring to the wrong portion of the FIDE handbook and I am sure that one of the wise men of Chesstalk can point us to the right section.
This is all public information which is available to anyone who cares to look on the FIDE website so there is no expectation of confidentiality.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Wednesday, 14th May, 2014, 06:26 PM.
be·lieve [bih-leev] Show IPA
verb (used without object), be·lieved, be·liev·ing.
1. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.
verb (used with object), be·lieved, be·liev·ing.
2.to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.
3.to have confidence in the assertions of (a person).
4.to have a conviction that (a person or thing) is, has been, or will be engaged in a given action or involved in a given situation: The fugitive is believed to be headed for the Mexican border.
5.to suppose or assume; understand (usually followed by a noun clause): I believe that he has left town.
Verb phrases
6.believe in,
a.to be persuaded of the truth or existence of: to believe in Zoroastrianism; to believe in ghosts.
b.to have faith in the reliability, honesty, benevolence, etc., of: I can help only if you believe in me.
Idioms
7.make believe. make ( def 46 ) .
Origin:
1150–1200; Middle English bileven, equivalent to bi- be- leven, Old English (Anglian) gelēfan (cognate with Dutch gelooven, German glauben, Gothic galaubjan )
— vb (foll by in )
1. ( tr; may take a clause as object ) to accept (a statement, supposition, or opinion) as true: I believe God exists
2. ( tr ) to accept the statement or opinion of (a person) as true
3. to be convinced of the truth or existence (of): to believe in fairies
4. ( intr ) to have religious faith
5. ( when tr, takes a clause as object ) to think, assume, or suppose: I believe that he has left already
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I believe the delegate has already been appointed.
Vlad, that doesn't sound correct. The FIDE Rep would normally be the delegate. Since we have CFC elections on the horizon, how could our delegate have already been selected?
Maybe, you should take a pause from chesstalk postings, and allow some time for consultation with the executive. Give them a chance to catch up. :)
I believe the delegate has already been appointed. There are mechanisms to change the delegate. In this case you have to operate under whatever rules FIDE has on how their elections are conducted.
After the CFC AGM. As I understood the CFC needs to appoint the delegate (normally FIDE rep.) to the FIDE Congress before that some when in June.
I believe the delegate has already been appointed. There are mechanisms to change the delegate. In this case you have to operate under whatever rules FIDE has on how their elections are conducted.
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