Candidates Rd6 Aronian wins after Nakamura touched King...

[John Nguyen]

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It definitely looked different on the live feed. But there was also a lot of things going on and the CA did come in pretty quick. You would have the best vantage point of all of us Hal. Thank you for the clarification.

[Hal Bond]

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It is true Nakamura never shook hands at the end. The CA had him sign his score sheet and he even grabbed it after and slammed it down by Aronian to get him to sign it too. By the way, first thing he did was get up and put on his jacket. Never once did he extend his hand out to shake Aronian's.

This NOT true!. I was there when Naka played his final, rushed Rook move, leaving it askew. Aronian proceeded to call "adjusting" as he perfected the Rook placement. At that point Naka extended his hand in resignation. They shook. There were 4 signatures required on the two pairs of score sheets. Shuffle, shuffle Naka mumbles "ok, ok I am out of here". He really did his best to escape with face. I share Peter McKillop's sentiment.

[Hugh Brodie]

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Not a touch-move situation, but a similar type of incident.

Canadian content - from the World Blitz, Saint John, 1988 - Vaganian-Georgiev. Skip through to 34:45. A video replay was needed to resolve the dispute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fj-CUu4aRE

[David Ottosen]

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This incident compares favourably with the "hand of God" episode in which Garry Kasparov flagrantly cheated, moving a piece other than the one he first touched, against Judit Polgar. Kasparov bullied his way through without apology and, as I recall, eventually won the game. Of course, Hal Bond was not there to enforce the rules!

Just to clarify - in the referenced case, Kasparov touched a knight and put it on a square, then maybe let go/maybe didn't let go before realizing it was a mistake, and moved it somewhere else. He didn't move a piece other than the one he first touched, and it certainly wasn't flagrant. Even frame by frame video at the time left some doubt as to whether he'd fully released it.

[Peter McKillop]

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Take it easy on Naka, boys. This whole unfortunate business could be a delayed stress reaction to his simul at the Detroit Institute of Arts on Friday, August 21, 2015. Let's show a little sympathy, eh. :l

[John Nguyen]

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It is true Nakamura never shook hands at the end. The CA had him sign his score sheet and he even grabbed it after and slammed it down by Aronian to get him to sign it too. By the way, first thing he did was get up and put on his jacket. Never once did he extend his hand out to shake Aronian's.

[Kerry Liles]

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Daniel King has posted a video with analysis about the ending - whether it was winning 'anyway' etc. Very interesting analysis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPc8vTe3VWk

(He -Daniel- mentions that Maxime Vachier-Lagrave has also posted annotation of this game at chess.com - I haven't gone looking for that yet. I want to watch King's video first to get the general ideas (one of which is there are stalemate possibilities that muddy the water for sure).

[Wayne Komer]

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Nakamura's Touch Move

March 18, 2016

The Chief Arbiter, Werner Stubenvoll, was right there at boardside too, looking grimly on, yesterday.

[Gordon Ritchie]

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This incident compares favourably with the "hand of God" episode in which Garry Kasparov flagrantly cheated, moving a piece other than the one he first touched, against Judit Polgar. Kasparov bullied his way through without apology and, as I recall, eventually won the game. Of course, Hal Bond was not there to enforce the rules!

[Wayne Komer]

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Nakamura’s Touch Move

March 18, 2016

The touched move incident had the players under the scrutiny of thousands of people. Both players are emotional and sometimes it is better to get a grip on yourself before going in front of the public again.

To me it made perfect sense to go without a press conference in this case until the players could cool down.

A reader at chess24.com said it well today:

(joseaf) - Did you guys ever play high stake games??

Of course Nakamura was pissed, of course he tried to escape
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He did not escape, he moved the king, he did not shake hands (not sure about this), he did not go to press conference. That happens!

He will stand up and I am sure he will talk to Aronian about what happened and will apologize for trying to not move the king after touching it.

Both are extremely expressive people and super fun. This is not a Topalov Kramnik thing. They will be completely fine sooner than later, and Naka will apologize.

BTW, chess24 non-premium engine says the Aronian would win the game in ~170 moves?!

Aronian could be right about winning that game, but he could have smiled less and been less happy with what happened.

[Francis Rodriguez]

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In other words Nakamura tried to cheat and got caught. It is a disgrace. And the video proves it. I seem to recall this guy having played a fishy two-handed castle not long ago as well. He needs to improve on sportsmanship.

Prob. a little harsh?
I think Naka's a great guy, awesome chess-player.
Stuff happens:)

[Kerry Liles]

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In other words Nakamura tried to cheat and got caught. It is a disgrace. And the video proves it. I seem to recall this guy having played a fishy two-handed castle not long ago as well. He needs to improve on sportsmanship.

Or, he suddenly realized what he had done and blurted out that he meant to j'adoube - I don't see him arguing for more than a second or two. Hal Bond is there - perhaps he can relate the spirit of what was happening - all I saw was an audio-less view. I am not trying to apologize for Naka but suggesting this might have been a lot more unintended (brain cramp). I don't think any player at IM/GM level needs to be reminded of the rules. As for two-handed castling, that is an entirely different situation in my view - there can be no doubt what the player is doing: castling(!), so the pedantic obsession with 'it is a move of the King' is tiresome but predictable.

I understand he declined to shake hands [and failed to show up for the post-game press conference - that means 10% of his potential winnings from the tournament may be forfeited to the sponsor and FIDE] - I did not see that on the videos I happened to watch. If that is the case, that is precisely where the sportsmanship runs out. It is understandable to be upset or even distraught but no excuse for failing to shake hands [Kramnik and Topalov are possible exceptions I suppose, but not for any good reason]

Today's article at Chessbase indicates that the ending was NOT obviously winning anyway as Aronian insisted at the post-game press conference (rook and pawn endings can be very complex of course):

http://en.chessbase.com/post/candidates-r06-anand-beats-svidler-aronian-wins

(see analysis of Aronian-Nakamura game by Sagar Shah near the end of that article.

[Brad Thomson]

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Nakamura tried to escape with a late j'adoube but Aronian would have none of it.

In other words Nakamura tried to cheat and got caught. It is a disgrace. And the video proves it. I seem to recall this guy having played a fishy two-handed castle not long ago as well. He needs to improve on sportsmanship.

[Francis Rodriguez]

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Correct. Chief Arbiter Werner Stubenvoll was right there. Nakamura tried to escape with a late j'adoube but Aronian would have none of it. Naka did not protest but he was unhappy with himself. Tough to watch. He had done all the heavy lifting to get to an apparently drawn ending.

007 transcripts:

HAL: "Couldn't you give Naka a break?"
LEVON: "What the Hal...no!!"

HAL: "Naka, was your mumble meant to be off-guard?"
NAKA: "No...Aa..guard! J'acoub, instead of J'adoub!"

[Emil Smilovici]

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Gotta love this Aronian guy :)
at around 6:30 in the video:
"I love giving this lesson" ... "And now ....children ... now I have to play this!"

...wonder if Nakamura watched the lesson :)