Trump - The NEW, New Thread

[Ben Daswani]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Remind me again, where was your 'christian' outrage for any of the following:

Snoop Dogg: Trump point blank assassination?

Kathy Griifin: Trump bloody severed head mask?

Johnny Depp: Trump death threat?

Great point. Society should hold President Trump to the same standard it holds Snoop Dogg and Kathy Griffin.

[Sid Belzberg]

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The article also does not define differences within Judaism. They mention they are asking people to identify themselves as Jews. But the question I wonder is what differences exist in voters who are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Secular Judaism etc. I would guess the more towards orthodoxy, the more pro-Israel and the more likely to vote for Trump.

Sid, do you believe that if they separated this article into kinds of Judaism, it would change the overall percentages significantly between groups?

Mavros

That is an interesting point. The last paper i could find that made distinctions between Jews by Religion and those that did not was Pew research in Oct 2013. Jews have been traditionally liberal Democratic so the votes cast are very much along partisan lines. However, Jews by religion are more likely to lean towards the Republican party lines The anti Israel agenda of the Obama administration was overwhelmingly obvious despite partisan lines that the Jewish vote is split along. Old voting habits die hard so time will tell. Even traditional high profile Jewish democrats such as famed defense attorney Allan Dershowitz found what Obama did to be disgusting and considered it a true betrayal.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/c...litical-views/

http://www.thewrap.com/alan-dershowitz/

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Wow, this is not very Christian behaviour. Why is he using his position of power to spread hate, rather than love and acceptance?

Remind me again, where was your 'christian' outrage for any of the following:

Snoop Dogg: Trump point blank assassination?

Kathy Griifin: Trump bloody severed head mask?

Johnny Depp: Trump death threat?

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Wow, this is not very Christian behaviour. Why is he using his position of power to spread hate, rather than love and acceptance?

Trump in this respect is very immature and thin skinned and this type of behavior which is nothing new for him and well known long before the election, is indeed unacceptable. Unfortunately releasing 20% of the Uranium in the US in addition to massive Uranium mines in Kazakhstan to Vladimir Putin in exchange for a bribe as per the actions of Secretary Clinton was a much more pressing problem among others for many Americans during the election and had to decide which deficiency is worst.
This does not mean that Americans that voted for Trump supported everything about him or all of his policies as has been suggested by Ben here.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...opriate-240092

[Lucas Davies]

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Trump vs. Morning Show Host

This is what y'all wanted. This is what y'all knew was coming. The most powerful man in the world attacked a woman for her appearance, and that's normal.

Wow, this is not very Christian behaviour. Why is he using his position of power to spread hate, rather than love and acceptance?

[Sid Belzberg]

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Thanks for backing your point up with statistics, ya fuckin' scholar.............

And--OH MAN--you think Obama single-handedly orchestrated the date of the vote of a UN Security Council measure to fall after the election to what, trick Jews? You're a paranoid, self-important, deluded conspiracy theorist.

You're a joke, guy. A scared old man whose world is passing him by. I have bad news for you. Republicans are old. Democrats are young. Your supporters are dying. You're dying. We'll all outlive you. We'll institute the world we want and you won't be able to stop us, because you'll be dead and dying, tumbling into obscurity on the wrong side of middle age. This is the life lived by every conservative who reaches old age, and it's been that way as long as there has been progress. Resign yourself to it. You have no say in the matter.

You're a paranoid, self-important, deluded conspiracy theorist.

Sure, that's it, try saying that to most Israeli's including Netanyahu. But, then again, that is not a course of action I would recommend to friends It might serve you well to read about things that you do not know the first thing about before posting. For your edification.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ts-obama-trump
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/brea...eo/2016/12/28/
http://www.thewrap.com/alan-dershowitz/

ya fuckin' scholar

Why are you so angry Ben? Are you upset that others around here are finally seeing you for what you are? Or perhaps that America is finally seeing what the causes are really about that you are so infatuated with.

[Ben Daswani]

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The article you have cited is before the anti Israel Dec 23 UN resolution where even former Obama Supporters like Dershowitz characterized it as a "stab in the back". Obama timed this for after the election knowing that the results would have been very different among Jewish voters before the election had he done it then.

Thanks for backing your point up with statistics, ya fuckin' scholar.............

And--OH MAN--you think Obama single-handedly orchestrated the date of the vote of a UN Security Council measure to fall after the election to what, trick Jews? You're a paranoid, self-important, deluded conspiracy theorist.

You're a joke, guy. A scared old man whose world is passing him by. I have bad news for you. Republicans are old. Democrats are young. Your supporters are dying. You're dying. We'll all outlive you. We'll institute the world we want and you won't be able to stop us, because you'll be dead and dying, tumbling into obscurity on the wrong side of middle age. This is the life lived by every conservative who reaches old age, and it's been that way as long as there has been progress. Resign yourself to it. You have no say in the matter.

[Mavros Whissell]

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The article you have cited is before the anti Israel Dec 23 UN resolution where even former Obama Supporters like Dershowitz characterized it as a "stab in the back". Obama timed this for after the election knowing that the results would have been very different among Jewish voters before the election had he done it then.
That is the first semi good question I have seen you post in this discussion.
http://www.dailynews.com/government-...ael-resolution

The article also does not define differences within Judaism. They mention they are asking people to identify themselves as Jews. But the question I wonder is what differences exist in voters who are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Secular Judaism etc. I would guess the more towards orthodoxy, the more pro-Israel and the more likely to vote for Trump.

Sid, do you believe that if they separated this article into kinds of Judaism, it would change the overall percentages significantly between groups?

Mavros

[Sid Belzberg]

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If the Democrats are so anti-Israel, why do they have the overwhelming support of American Jews? I guess you just know better than everyone else.

The article you have cited is before the anti Israel Dec 23 UN resolution where even former Obama Supporters like Dershowitz characterized it as a "stab in the back". Obama timed this for after the election knowing that the results would have been very different among Jewish voters before the election had he done it then.
That is the first semi good question I have seen you post in this discussion.
http://www.dailynews.com/government-...ael-resolution

[Ben Daswani]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Still their alliance with the antiIsrael democrats does not instill that much confidence in me.

If the Democrats are so anti-Israel, why do they have the overwhelming support of American Jews? I guess you just know better than everyone else.

[Sid Belzberg]

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As usual, you're totally mischaracterizing my position. I don't think you're privileged because you're rich. Money should provide people privilege. I think you're privileged because you're white, male, straight, and cis. Just like me, for the most part. The difference between us is that I recognize the immense privilege that these immutable traits confer on me. And I recognize how detrimental it is to our world that they do. And I want it to end.

It's funny that you say that fascists generalize, though.



Really? The LGBT expels Jews? No. One LGBT organization from one city expelled some Jews. And you blame the entire LGBT community. Disgusting.

Yes and so....you still unjustly accused me of my motivations to vote for a candidate. Then you go on to unjustly accuse of me of turning a blind eye to injustices. Yes it is a pity that the reprehensible acts of the Chicago LGBT community is giving a bad name to the rest of the group. I don't see any condemnations from the rest of the LGBT community, the ADL has demanded am apology from the Chicago branch that is not forthcoming. Do you find that disgusting? Oh I stand corrected there is an article in the Forward where leaders in LGBT community condemn the Chicago actions. Still their alliance with the antiIsrael democrats does not instill that much confidence in me. http://forward.com/news/breaking-new...ent-disrupted/

[Ben Daswani]

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Yes you went beyond just giving an opinion and unjustly accusing me of lying about my motivations to pick a candidate when you had no idea. So you gave your opinion about me now you know my opinion about you, your a bigoted fascist in my opinion. Unlike you I have given evidence to support that view.

The more angry you get, the less coherent you become. Seriously, this is a mess. Smarten up.

[Ben Daswani]

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But as is so typical of Fascists you generalize and categorize me as some rich fat cat that never worked a day in my life.

As usual, you're totally mischaracterizing my position. I don't think you're privileged because you're rich. Money should provide people privilege. I think you're privileged because you're white, male, straight, and cis. Just like me, for the most part. The difference between us is that I recognize the immense privilege that these immutable traits confer on me. And I recognize how detrimental it is to our world that they do. And I want it to end.

It's funny that you say that fascists generalize, though.

The LGBT expels Jews from their March

Really? The LGBT expels Jews? No. One LGBT organization from one city expelled some Jews. And you blame the entire LGBT community. Disgusting.

[Sid Belzberg]

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No one is stopping you from expressing your views. I don't have a problem with you expressing your views.

I'm just expressing my view that you're ignorant. You seem to have a problem, insofar as you have a problem with fascism, with me expressing my view, as you stated you think it's "fascist" for me to dismiss you as ignorant.

Thus, you're the only one that has a problem with someone expressing one's views.

You're a high-strung conservative snowflake, just like the rest of them.

Yes you went beyond just giving an opinion and unjustly accusing me of lying about my motivations to pick a candidate when you had no idea. So you gave your opinion about me now you know my opinion about you, you are a bigoted fascist in my opinion. Unlike you I have given evidence to support that view.

[Sid Belzberg]

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You don't. You say you do, but your support for Trump says you don't. You care more about the issues that affect you. Don't you realize that everyone's been caring about the issues that affect you, the privileged class, for as long as anyone can remember? Why is it so radical to endorse, above everything else, the reforms that help the most oppressed groups? Why is equality so radical to you? You say you're not a white supremacist, but you support the candidate whose actions reinforce the white supremacist elements of our government and society. You say you're not a sexist, but you support the candidate whose actions reinforce the sexist elements of our government and society. You say you're not a homophobe. You say you're not a transphobe. You say lots of things. But you support Trump, a man whose election has harmed those groups that have already been harmed the most. Yeah, yeah, say some more. I know what you say. But I know how to read between the lines.

By your logic I could say your antiIsrael because you support the party that has been. You say your not but you support the party that is. I have not seen much support from your party for the issues that affect me, i.e. feeding Isreal to the wolves at the UN. As I clearly stated I do not support Trump but consider Clinton even worst. I support many ideas that are not embraced by Trump.

You simply continue to unjustly accuse of things because I was lucky enough to have a good enough head on my shoulders to do ok in life. Anything I own was not inherited, or given to me by my family. I started a business with $2500.00 courtesy of my wife and built it into a successful company that employed a 150 people. I received patents in the software arena along the way for my invention. Anything I got in my life was from my will, my determination, my work. It had nothing to do with being in the "privileged class". No handouts from my relatives or inheritances.

But as is so typical of Fascists you generalize and categorize me as some rich fat cat that never worked a day in my life.