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It makes no sense to me to appeal to the CFC first when the issue was during the tournament.
The normal process would be to appeal to the arbiter (i.e. state that you disagree with the decision, explain your reasons, and ask the arbiter to reconsider), then the appeals committee for the tournament itself, if there is one, and then the CFC National Appeals Committee.
In my opinion as a layman, the result of the tournament was not fair. The fault lies three ways:
1. With Noritsyn for promoting to an upside-down rook.
2. With Sambuev for fidgeting with the pieces including the queen which Noritsyn couldn't find, effectively hiding it.
3. With the TD/Arbiter/Organizers for not having a spare Queen ready in the first place and then not noticing the situation as it developed.
Nikolay's mistake was understandable in the circumstances. I don't think Bator deliberately intended to influence the game (the video shows him fidgeting with pieces and gesturing throughout).
That leaves things at the feet of the TD/Arbiter/Organizer. They decided upon the tie-break formula, there was only one game going on, they should have anticipated a promotion in a time-scramble, and yet a queen was not available when needed for promotion.
I don't have any suggestions as to how to resolve this mess, other than having another playoff (of some sort) or declaring co-champions.
To my mind the only person at fault here is the arbiter. Even if this ruling is consistent with the letter of the law, the interests of fairness have to prevail.
Upthread, Nikolay wrote "After the playoffs, I asked about the appeals process. I was told to appeal to the CFC, not to the tournament appeal committee. "
It makes no sense to me to appeal to the CFC first when the issue was during the tournament.
It seems the first line of appeal would be to the tournament appeals committee.
Upthread, Nikolay wrote "After the playoffs, I asked about the appeals process. I was told to appeal to the CFC, not to the tournament appeal committee. "
First, it is the arbiters decision. Then you may appeal the decision to the CFC appeals committee.
But I would send the appeal to CFC right away. Just send an email to CFC office.
It seems the first line of appeal would be to the tournament appeals committee.
By my understanding the latest FIDE tournament rules state that if a player promotes a pawn but does not replace it with a piece, the pawn is deemed to be a queen. Therefore it is not illegal to leave the promoted pawn on the board and play it as a queen. I wonder if someone with more up-to-date knowledge of the rules can confirm this.
It seems unreasonable that there is no rule about hindering an opponent's access to his captured pieces. By contrast, it is illegal to move or tamper with the clock during play, but why there is no rule about tampering with captured pieces is a bit of a mystery. They are not the personal property of the player who has captured them. Except for the pawns they all have the potential to reappear on the board. In that sense they are still "in play."
Yes, I see your point, Nikolay. I won't ask what you'd like to see happen - you'd probably prefer to keep that private until your appeal has been dealt with. I am sorry that your good tournament was marred in this way and I hope your appeal will yield a just result.
It is absolutely impossible to restart the game as if nothing happened. You can recreate the time on the clocks and the final position alright, but recreating the players involved is not possible as time machines don't exist. If the game was played today instead, the result might have been completely different - after rest, analysis, calming down, and a thousand other factors.
Yes, I see your point, Nikolay. I won't ask what you'd like to see happen - you'd probably prefer to keep that private until your appeal has been dealt with. I am sorry that your good tournament was marred in this way and I hope your appeal will yield a just result.
Now - Is it holding/hiding/chewing a captured piece an infringement? Rules do not say anything what should be done with captured pieces, they are just removed from the board. There are no Geneva Conventions for them yet.
Perhaps the CFC's FIDE rep could bring forth a motion for adding such a rule?
I think the playoff should be replayed at the CFC's expense ...with the same Arbiter.
Last edited by Neil Frarey; Tuesday, 4th July, 2017, 03:21 PM.
Since there is a video record of the game, the final position, and the times on the clocks, I think the game should play on from where it left off with the exception that Nikolay is allowed to promote to a queen.
Hi Peter,
It is absolutely impossible to restart the game as if nothing happened. You can recreate the time on the clocks and the final position alright, but recreating the players involved is not possible as time machines don't exist. If the game was played today instead, the result might have been completely different - after rest, analysis, calming down, and a thousand other factors.
It is a good thing (and an amazing thing) that there is a video of the entire game... Now all that is missing is any sort of statement from Bator Sambuev. On the chess.com report that is referenced in a separate thread, it was noted that the arbiter was IA Pierre Dénommée - in that report he is quoted as saying that "... due to contractual obligations, he cannot comment on the specifics of the incident."
It would be VERY useful to hear from Sambuev and Denommee but perhaps that will never happen?
I also note in the chess.com article it is stated:
"Noritsyn confirmed to Chess.com that he has filed an appeal to the Chess Federation of Canada, which has a National Appeals Committee for such cases. He referenced his queen being hidden and said FIDE rule 12.1 is a bit of a 'catchall' and states: 'The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute.'
He said he is 'agnostic' as to whether he thinks Sambuev was hiding the queen deliberately."
Of course only one person can know whether Sambuev was hiding the Queen deliberately.
What is wrong with this picture is the arbiters point out that a queen was available and Bator does not correct them..
In addition, from the FIDE Laws of Chess which took effect on July 1, 2017:
Article 11: The conduct of the players:
11.1The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute. ...
and
Article 12: The role of the Arbiter (see Preface):
12.1The arbiter shall see that the Laws of Chess are observed.
12.2 The arbiter shall:
12.2.1ensure fair play,
12.2.2act in the best interest of the competition...
Is a player, whether acting intentionally or not, who hides a piece required by his opponent potentially (i.e. dependent on exact circumstances) bringing the game into disrepute? I would say yes.
The arbiter, in an absolutely critical game, failed to observe that a) Bator had Nikolay's queen concealed, b) that Nikolay could not find a queen for promotion because there wasn't a queen in plain sight, c) that Bator put the queen back on the table as the arbiter was intervening. If an arbiter screws up this many times then how can it be fair to expect Nickolay, with mere seconds remaining, to remember rules and procedures?
Since there is a video record of the game, the final position, and the times on the clocks, I think the game should play on from where it left off with the exception that Nikolay is allowed to promote to a queen.
Last edited by Peter McKillop; Tuesday, 4th July, 2017, 01:02 PM.
What if the other player decides it was an accident and let his opponent play the other piece? See my previous post with the Navara-Moiseenko game from the 2011 World Cup.
The rule is "if the player having the move touches on the chessboard, with the intention of moving or capturing". I have not seen the Navara-Moiseenko video (does it even exist?) Can you deny that it was not shaking fingers what touched a king while passing to a bishop?
What if the other player decides it was an accident and let his opponent play the other piece? See my previous post with the Navara-Moiseenko game from the 2011 World Cup.
With the queen in his hand Bator probably realized that it was his fault that Nikolay promoted to an upside-down rook and should tell the arbiter he's OK with the queen promotion, replace the rook with the queen and continue the game.
What is wrong with this picture is the arbiters point out that a queen was available and Bator does not correct them..
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