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The association of chess professionals has put out a protest letter that leaves open the possibility of Chess Federations getting involved. One approach is to boycott FIDE and start an entirely new organization. I know exactly where there would be millions of dollars of funding available for such an undertaking. It is criminal that a young man who spent a lifetime perfecting his craft is forced to forfeit the game of his lifetime even though he had not broken any regulations at all! It was impossible for him to comply with the demand of the organizer and still make it back to play his game in time.
FIDE is an organization run by thugs and the time has come to end the abuse. http://www.chessprofessionals.org/content/acp-protests
I don't disagree with this, but:
1- Kovalyov wasn't the only one dressed casually - Bu was wearing a hoodie, Ding a tracksuit, Grischuk a T-shirt and jeans, etc. Why specifically target someone for wearing shorts?
2- Even if there is a no-shorts rule, it wasn't consistently enforced even within the tournament.
3- Regardless of whether you think wearing shorts should be a violation, the way it was handled in this case was inappropriate. They could have given him a warning, they could have allowed him 30 minutes to go buy a pair of pants.
The other possibility is to allow his opponent easily go thru this round and advance to the next one. Anton eliminated in the previous round GM.V.Anand as well.
Last edited by Caesar Posylek; Sunday, 10th September, 2017, 10:13 AM.
If you want to be a pro, dress like a pro. Fischer understood that. Kasparov, too. Both are among the greatest GMs ever. And the FIDE didn't tell them how to dress.
If you don't feel like playing chess in front of the cameras, don't bother showing up. Plenty of guys are willing and able to take your spot.
I don't disagree with this, but:
1- Kovalyov wasn't the only one dressed casually - Bu was wearing a hoodie, Ding a tracksuit, Grischuk a T-shirt and jeans, etc. Why specifically target someone for wearing shorts?
2- Even if there is a no-shorts rule, it wasn't consistently enforced even within the tournament.
3- Regardless of whether you think wearing shorts should be a violation, the way it was handled in this case was inappropriate. They could have given him a warning, they could have allowed him 30 minutes to go buy a pair of pants.
Gm. Anton Kovalyev should have dressed more formally anyway, according to the accepted FIDE code of dressing and would be able to avoid such a situation.
OK, I'm not the only one thinking that a GM should show a little bit of decorum at the World Cup, where he's gonna earn upwards of 10k$. If you want a sponsor to pay for your appereance, you have to appear within a certain set of criteria. Showing up with shorts at the World Cup should be an automatic no-no.
You just beat Anand? You're the story of the day? Journalists are gonna be there tomorrow to take pictures of you... Yeah sure, let's rock the good old shorts and pretend it's just another Saturday...
Gm. Anton Kovalyev should have dressed more formally anyway, according to the accepted FIDE code of dressing and would be able to avoid such a situation.
In this case, the real lost and hurt is suffered by CHESS our beloved game. Without this incident who knows how beautiful game would have been played? And we would have instead of discussions and arguments...a nice new gem to share in the history of chess.
Last edited by Caesar Posylek; Thursday, 14th September, 2017, 02:57 PM.
What do I think? I couldn't be less surprised that FIDE acted in the most ridiculous way possible. Maybe Anton should have dressed more formally, but this is the kind of thing that is very easy to handle. How it escalates to this is typical FIDE bungling.
Gm. Anton Kovalyev should have dressed more formally anyway, according to the accepted FIDE code of dressing and would be able to avoid such a situation.
Here is an interesting piece about Zurab's history, he is a thug just like his boss Kirsan. I absolutely believe every word Anton said is true. The CFC and other federations supported a known thug (who naturally has other thugs on his team) these are the horrible consequences that chess fans and players now deal with,... the fall out from chess federations idiotic support of thugs. http://danailov-for-president.com/?p=3339
Thanks for the link, Sid!
Wasn't really surprised to read:
The elections in Tromso were extremely dirty; the fight was about life or death. Nowadays, Makro&friends have invented a modern “legal” form of bribery. Many years ago they simply paid off the votes of the delegates in cash, but today it is different.
Today they offer official financial “aid” to the federations through “FIDE Commerce” or similar companies in Dubai if they vote for the “right candidate” The package in Tromso was $60,000 of federation aid if they voted for Kirsan and Azmaiparashvili for FIDE and ECU respectively.
*****
The Chess Federation of Canada too was bought and paid for?!
And where is the CFC's missing $60,000.00???
Drkulec ...such a FIDE clown.
Last edited by Neil Frarey; Saturday, 9th September, 2017, 10:01 PM.
In golf there actually is a formal dress code, not just whatever the tournament organizer feels like. It's fine to have a dress code, and I think there should be one, but it should be transparent and consistently enforced. If you look at the pictures of the other players, some are wearing tracksuits, jeans, hoodies, t-shirts, and so on. Why should a pair of shorts be that big a deal? It's not like Kovalyov had a disheveled appearance or something - he was just dressed casually as were many of the other players.
If you want to be a pro, dress like a pro. Fischer understood that. Kasparov, too. Both are among the greatest GMs ever. And the FIDE didn't tell them how to dress.
If you don't feel like playing chess in front of the cameras, don't bother showing up. Plenty of guys are willing and able to take your spot.
It's the World f-ing Cup and you can't even bother putting on a pair of pants? And then you'll complain there's not enough money in chess? Seriously?
Tiger Woods would be thrown out of a tournament if he didn't comply with the dress code.
That is not the point of this discussion. The point is that the current rules specifically allow Bermuda Shorts and that the arbiter was wrong to threaten a fine. Many would agree that any kind of shorts are inappropriate attire at this level of competition and that the existing rules should be changed, but that is a different discussion.
It's the World f-ing Cup and you can't even bother putting on a pair of pants? And then you'll complain there's not enough money in chess? Seriously?
Tiger Woods would be thrown out of a tournament if he didn't comply with the dress code.
In golf there actually is a formal dress code, not just whatever the tournament organizer feels like. It's fine to have a dress code, and I think there should be one, but it should be transparent and consistently enforced. If you look at the pictures of the other players, some are wearing tracksuits, jeans, hoodies, t-shirts, and so on. Why should a pair of shorts be that big a deal? It's not like Kovalyov had a disheveled appearance or something - he was just dressed casually as were many of the other players.
What do I think? I couldn't be less surprised that FIDE acted in the most ridiculous way possible. Maybe Anton should have dressed more formally, but this is the kind of thing that is very easy to handle. How it escalates to this is typical FIDE bungling.
There is much more to this than the discussion about shorts (Bermuda or otherwise). Anton's treatment at the hands of Azmairashvili is inexcusable. I think his decision to bag the tournament is not a good decision but understandable nevertheless given the absolutely hostile encounter with FIDE's chief moron. I notice that several of the players are not exactly dressed for a fancy dinner party and nothing much is said about that. The rules are made up along the way (sort of like a FIDE election actually).
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