Originally posted by Bob Armstrong
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Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post
But I am a real person living in Ontario. Why else would I care about Ontario taxpayer money going to chess? I'm not anti-chess if that's the brush you are trying to paint me with.
As I've already stated, I'm against Ontario taxpayer money supporting individual athletes of any sport to pursue their sport as adults. I am not against corporations doing the same thing.
Every penny that goes to chess will likely see a ten to one or hundred to one saving in other areas like the criminal justice system.
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Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
And that is why you fail, Paul Bonham.
The point is not to make a large number of professional chess players. The point is to prepare you to compete and gain strategic skills in larger areas of life.
Lets look at the girls that competed in the 2013 CYCC under 14 girls in Ottawa.
https://www.chess.ca/en/ratings/t/?i...07028&p=152636
The first place finisher Qiyu Zhou became a world champion one year later. She has published academic papers, she has created courses for chessbase, she has been on our Olympiad team several times and is part of an e-sports team and has an online following.
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For what it's worth, I see no evidence that Pargat is someone else. I think he has defined himself pretty clearly, in a way that no other poster would ever do. What a pile of conspirator theorists we have on here......
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Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View PostHi Dilip:
The Planetary "Collection of Villages" Concept
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Hi Dilip:
The Planetary "Collection of Villages" Concept
Just to be clear.....my view is slightly different than Libertarianism.
The electors within a Local Political Unit (LPU) will decide what, if any, services they wish to have provided by their local government. For example, an LPU might decide to have a Disability Support Program, for those disabled such that they cannot work. The electors might feel that these fellow-residents should not be existing solely on the possible charity of their fellow residents, and its uncertainty. Or the residents may want local garbage pick-up, as they have had.
Such a system means that the electors would have to implement some type of self-taxation at a rate that meets their needs.
Also, two contiguous LPU's might decide that it is cheaper for each to have a common garbage pick-up in both LPU's - both will split the cost. No "Higher Level" body likely needs to be created to implement this "Common Contract". But if it is needed, it can be time limited with the length of the pick-up contract, and in future, at the end of the period, it will have to be reviewed.
All LPU's could decide this by themselves, and are not bound by what other LPU's may be doing.
This is the Democratic Marxist twist on it, implementing the principle that the majority should pay for services needed by residents who are incapable of self-supplying their own needs. Also, sometimes, government centralized planning, by the LPU, may be helpful in terms of both cost and efficiency. An example of this might be "Affordable Housing".
Bob ALast edited by Bob Armstrong; Sunday, 1st January, 2023, 09:51 AM.
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Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post
Ok, so Dilip my Libertarian friend, are you in favor of Ontario taxpayer money funding chess? Even if much of it goes into funding players to travel the world entering tournaments?
I don't dispute your claim. "Accomplished" chess players can do well in many fields, for sure, and I am in favor of them going into those fields rather than chess. By the time a player in university age, he or she is already either "accomplished" or not in chess.
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Hi Vlad:
Thanks for taking the time.........and making the point on skills transferable from chess to life............. very clearly.
Bob ALast edited by Bob Armstrong; Sunday, 1st January, 2023, 02:52 AM.
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Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post
And top notch companies and Universities have been actively seeking, for a long time, accomplished chess players for their most challenging positions; given that they continue to do so means that they reap good benefits out of doing so..
I don't dispute your claim. "Accomplished" chess players can do well in many fields, for sure, and I am in favor of them going into those fields rather than chess. By the time a player in university age, he or she is already either "accomplished" or not in chess.
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Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
I am not taking credit. I am pointing out outcomes.
I don't care what a fictional character whose author does not even live in Ontario is for or against. I tell these stories whenever I am talking to a decision maker in government or elsewhere because people remember stories but not statistics which may also tell stories.
As I've already stated, I'm against Ontario taxpayer money supporting individual athletes of any sport to pursue their sport as adults. I am not against corporations doing the same thing.Last edited by Pargat Perrer; Sunday, 1st January, 2023, 01:58 AM.
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Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View PostThis is mostly bad management and not lack of funds.
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So you are ok waiting 12 to 18 hours in an ER for lack of nurses. Nice to know.
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Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
I have many such stories as well but the interesting part of that story is that you have the three girls next on the wall chart after the winner landing in the top engineering school in Canada. Certainly an interesting coincidence.
Every kid who was a part of organized chess that I have been involved in has done well in life even where they have given up chess. The stereotypes of our younger years don't hold up. These are champions in every sense of the word. And not one of them posting on Chesstalk.
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Originally posted by Hans Jung View PostLovely to see Vlad and thats not the minority. I have similar success stories I could post but the point is well taken.
Every kid who was a part of organized chess that I have been involved in has done well in life even where they have given up chess. The stereotypes of our younger years don't hold up. These are champions in every sense of the word. And not one of them posting on Chesstalk.Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Saturday, 31st December, 2022, 06:44 PM.
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Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post
If I ever hear from Paul Bonham, I'll be sure and let him know that he really did a number on you Vlad, and you are haunted by him to this day.
Glad to hear about these stories, but if you are taking credit for all these success stories because you helped these young people learn chess, well, have another glass of ego nog.
I am sure all these success stories would have happened without your chess lessons, and again, not against anyone playing chess. I'm against taking these stories to the Ontario government and saying "Put taxpayer money into chess and there will be an explosion of these success stories." There is zero evidence to support that.
I am sure there are "poor outcomes" if you tracked all the young people who have ever studied or played chess, but of course you don't do that.
Chess isn't a magic elixir, it is far from being the only and necessary thing that opens people's minds and enables them to succeed in other fields.
I don't care what a fictional character whose author does not even live in Ontario is for or against. I tell these stories whenever I am talking to a decision maker in government or elsewhere because people remember stories but not statistics which may also tell stories.
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Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
And that is why you fail, Paul Bonham.
The point is not to make a large number of professional chess players. The point is to prepare you to compete and gain strategic skills in larger areas of life.
Lets look at the girls that competed in the 2013 CYCC under 14 girls in Ottawa.
https://www.chess.ca/en/ratings/t/?i...07028&p=152636
The first place finisher Qiyu Zhou became a world champion one year later. She has published academic papers, she has created courses for chessbase, she has been on our Olympiad team several times and is part of an e-sports team and has an online following.
The second and third place players both from the Windsor area and students in my Friday Chess advanced class Erica Forshaw (also my first or second private student along with now IM Rohan Talukdar who both asked me to coach them privately on the same night) and Rachel Tao (daughter of youth coordinator Christina Tao) went on to gain entry into Canada's best engineering school at the University of Waterloo in chemical engineering and nanotechnology respectively. I believe that both are doing very well. Rachel landed a very nice high paying job in California at one of the tech giants. I haven't talked to Erica or her family lately but I am told that she was doing well also.
Agniya Pobereshnikova (tied for fourth with Ashley Tapp and Kristen Li) also started in engineering at Waterloo and was Rachel Tao's roommate. She later transferred into a program in theoretical physics. So the class of 2013 resulted in one top woman player for Canada and at least three girls that made it into Canada's top engineering school. Engineering (and theoretical physics as well) is a profession that tends to be dominated by men but the girls who compete in chess tend to compete in other areas of life successfully as well.
The story does not end there. Ashley Tapp is a student at the University of Toronto. Kristen Li is at Wharton. Janet Peng may have been at Carnegie Mellon studying chemistry or chemical engineering (though may be mixing her up with her sister Jackie who was recently featured in a documentary that spent a few hours giving background information for).
Minya Bai also from Windsor and a member of our Friday chess class at Sobeys got into McGill university.
For the ones that we have been able to keep track of, there have been excellent results in their academic careers and this is typical of chess players both male and female. There are few poor outcomes in this bunch and in most of the young chess players.
If I ever hear from Paul Bonham, I'll be sure and let him know that he really did a number on you Vlad, and you are haunted by him to this day.
Glad to hear about these stories, but if you are taking credit for all these success stories because you helped these young people learn chess, well, have another glass of ego nog.
I am sure all these success stories would have happened without your chess lessons, and again, not against anyone playing chess. I'm against taking these stories to the Ontario government and saying "Put taxpayer money into chess and there will be an explosion of these success stories." There is zero evidence to support that.
I am sure there are "poor outcomes" if you tracked all the young people who have ever studied or played chess, but of course you don't do that.
Chess isn't a magic elixir, it is far from being the only and necessary thing that opens people's minds and enables them to succeed in other fields.
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