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Use the "backup to a previous round feature"
It wipes out the current round and you do the pairings again.
Hi Bob,
I was looking for something like that but I can't find that feature anywhere. Perhaps you can help me how to access it? There's no menu item which appealed to me.
Anyway, later last night I found out by trial-and-error how to achieve it. It's the way Egidijus described it: set back the round, open the pairing dialog. Here comes the trick: While the pairing dialog is open, one can exclude the player. Things worked out for me.
Today we've finished the 2nd round of our tournament. I paired the next round (3. round). After that one player came and told us he won't play the next round but will be back for the 4th.
I can't find a way to repair the 3rd round while excluding said player. Is there a way to delete the 3rd round and start over? Right now the "exclude player" entry in the pairing menu is not available.
What software do you use now?
SwissManger (going by heart, if some steps will not work, let me know)
You put the round check mark on the previous one. Go to Pairings and do new one (will ask if you want that - yes), before you click Pair, go to Exclude player, find him, double click, uncheck for the round, ok, ok, go back to the window for pairings - pair.
You might get some arrows from players if you have published pairings (rules say don't repair if published)
Usually I would go "Set new player..." route - remove the affected pair, and do needed changes. I usually get more than one requested byes for the club tournament after pairings are done (and I do by hand changes on the spot, and only update the program later).
Today we've finished the 2nd round of our tournament. I paired the next round (3. round). After that one player came and told us he won't play the next round but will be back for the 4th.
I can't find a way to repair the 3rd round while excluding said player. Is there a way to delete the 3rd round and start over? Right now the "exclude player" entry in the pairing menu is not available.
Use the "backup to a previous round feature"
It wipes out the current round and you do the pairings again.
Today we've finished the 2nd round of our tournament. I paired the next round (3. round). After that one player came and told us he won't play the next round but will be back for the 4th.
I can't find a way to repair the 3rd round while excluding said player. Is there a way to delete the 3rd round and start over? Right now the "exclude player" entry in the pairing menu is not available.
The last in the series of youtube videos featured on the SwissSys website deals with using their own "chess-results" website.
AFAIK, it does everything chess results will do, just nobody knows about it. I wish somebody would use it and give me some feedback.
I have used the website for a couple of recent tournaments - super easy,super quick.
In the lowest right corner is a small "search" field "Name or Code".
Wow! That was the best thing I've learned today!
Again, it's an unexpected UI feature :-D. That field doesn't look like any other field on the screen. Who would have had the idea one could enter something there. Now I know, Thanks to you.
The double click into the field in which you just entered the data is a (not-so-)funny feature. Especially if the documentation says "Press Enter". But I'm sure as soon as one has some experience with the quirks it will work just fine. I'm just not there (yet). For example: I have a list of players and want to add a new one. There's no empty line from which I could start. I have to change the last player's line and then somehow add him/her to the tournament's players list. Now "Zeromskis" is on the top of the list and at the end of the list. Now I have to add the other player I changed in favour of you. At the end I have to delete the last line because that basically became the working line.
so, there's a way to achieve what I need. It's just arcane and reminds me of Bycantine :-).
You always should enter players in Input / Enter Players.
In the lowest right corner is a small "search" field "Name or Code". Type required name or CFC # (with i) and you'll get entries in the top part. Choose the required name with up and down arrows (click ENTER, it works :) or the double click with mouse. Then look for other player.
If the player is new (no CFC or FIDE), you would enter manually by typing all required info, at least name, last name.
You might edit player names, ratings, group (section) other stuff in Input / Update Players.
You might create a special txt file with CFC # and import into the SwissManager and then update for names, ratings, clubs, etc. Though this might be too advance.
SwissSys seems to be a bit newer, was designed with FIDE and USCF in mind. The author published a series of youtube videos in which he shows how to perform the major tasks. It doesn’t support the automatic upload to chess-results though and I haven’t found a way to do it without SwissMaster, grrh.
The last in the series of youtube videos featured on the SwissSys website deals with using their own "chess-results" website.
AFAIK, it does everything chess results will do, just nobody knows about it. I wish somebody would use it and give me some feedback.
The double click into the field in which you just entered the data is a (not-so-)funny feature. Especially if the documentation says "Press Enter". But I'm sure as soon as one has some experience with the quirks it will work just fine. I'm just not there (yet). For example: I have a list of players and want to add a new one. There's no empty line from which I could start. I have to change the last player's line and then somehow add him/her to the tournament's players list. Now "Zeromskis" is on the top of the list and at the end of the list. Now I have to add the other player I changed in favour of you. At the end I have to delete the last line because that basically became the working line.
so, there's a way to achieve what I need. It's just arcane and reminds me of Bycantine :-).
My problem with registering players was/is that it doesn’t work as described in the help file. When entering a name you magically have have to click with your mouse inside the name field to trigger the search. Then the name will somehow transferred into the read/only list in the top half of the screen. I couldn’t find an easy way to delete a player, sometimes players showed up twice in the list etc. i stopped trying at some point. The software is around for decades by know and has never seen a thorough overhaul. The GUI and user interaction is non-intuitive (at least for me who works in software since the mid 80s ;-)) The documentation is outdated (also very common in the industry). I don’t blame the author as it was designed for the austrian chess federation with additional features added along the way. It’s a product for a very small market niche which doesn’t yield much revenue (i guess at least).
SwissSys seems to be a bit newer, was designed with FIDE and USCF in mind. The author published a series of youtube videos in which he shows how to perform the major tasks. It doesn’t support the automatic upload to chess-results though and I haven’t found a way to do it without SwissMaster, grrh.
Interesting experience. I had an opposite feeling that SwissSys was so complicated :)
Best way to enter players in SwissManager is to get their CFC #, and then use 'i' with the CFC # like my is 147050 >> i147050 in the search field to get a required player. Then double click.
As for the software - I would say it is widely used in chess world. The Olympiads are done with it, thus it is a good sign :) From the main page in the last twenty minutes about 50 tournaments were updated.
While ago someone posted a FAQ page for tournament directors. Maybe it is time to bring up the thread.
My problem with registering players was/is that it doesn’t work as described in the help file. When entering a name you magically have have to click with your mouse inside the name field to trigger the search. Then the name will somehow transferred into the read/only list in the top half of the screen. I couldn’t find an easy way to delete a player, sometimes players showed up twice in the list etc. i stopped trying at some point. The software is around for decades by know and has never seen a thorough overhaul. The GUI and user interaction is non-intuitive (at least for me who works in software since the mid 80s ;-)) The documentation is outdated (also very common in the industry). I don’t blame the author as it was designed for the austrian chess federation with additional features added along the way. It’s a product for a very small market niche which doesn’t yield much revenue (i guess at least).
SwissSys seems to be a bit newer, was designed with FIDE and USCF in mind. The author published a series of youtube videos in which he shows how to perform the major tasks. It doesn’t support the automatic upload to chess-results though and I haven’t found a way to do it without SwissMaster, grrh.
Oddly, it took me some time to get the hang of registering players. But once I had that down (and Omar Shah around to help), I found it pretty simply. The integration with chessresults was a particular highlight for me. But comfort is often king with this sort of thing - don't want to get a couple rounds in and discover there's something poorly documented that you need to do!
Yes, I did.
Thankfully I got a time-limited license for our tournament in June.
Somebody also donated a license for SwissManager. I tried both programs and found SwissSys of better quality. SwissManager seems to have more features but the documentation doesn't always match the features and I had a hard time doing something simple like adding players to a tournament. So far I'll stick with SwissSys.
Did you hear back from the CFC on this? I had used SwissSys a few times before and used Swiss Manager the first time in Collingwood earlier this month. After getting a handle on it, I liked Swiss Manager quite a bit. As far as I know (if you haven't already gotten a license) the unlicensed/demo version can be used to experiment with, up to and including importing the CFC and FIDE databases
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