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  • Kevin Pacey
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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    I think you're trying to make the figures say what you want them to say.

    Anyhow, I'm the President of the Inner Galactic Chess Federation and know little of these attempts to reform the political fortunes of an insignificant planet like Earth, the third rock from a yellow star. :)
    Well, chesstalk viewers are mostly from all across the country. Mainly adults too, I think.

    Do you mean you're the Prez of the INTER-Galactic Chess Federation :)?
    If not, our scientists think there is a giant black hole at the centre of the galaxy.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
    The Iced Tea Party would come up the middle and win a minority gov't :)!
    I think you're trying to make the figures say what you want them to say.

    Anyhow, I'm the President of the Inner Galactic Chess Federation and know little of these attempts to reform the political fortunes of an insignificant planet like Earth, the third rock from a yellow star. :)

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  • Kevin Pacey
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    As of right now the Iced Tea Party has 4 votes (8 votes against)

    If this were representative of the country, the 8 votes against could easily be split amongst the other parties.

    The Iced Tea Party would come up the middle and win a minority gov't :)!

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Roger Patterson View Post
    aah yes, a party that has no seats, 0% of the popular vote, no respect. That's a good plan to model your new party on.
    I noticed Paul Hellyer listed. Possibly you recall him.

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  • Kevin Pacey
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    Just scanning it briefly, the website for the U.S. Tea Party Platform seems a bit of a hoot. Lots of ranting, but hard to make out exactly what they'd do:

    http://theteapartyplatform.com/

    I didn't look at the Tea Party platform or the CAP platform when I formed the Iced Tea Party platform. Just a co-incidence it has 5 points, like CAP's platform, except 5-point plans seem popular in politics.

    I voted for CAP a couple of times long ago. Now their opposition to globalization looks prophetic, considering China is largely the world's banker. Prophets often get no respect. Founders of CAP were some Libs and NDPers who were anti-globalization.

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  • Kevin Pacey
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    Originally posted by Roger Patterson View Post
    aah yes, a party that has no sets, 0% of the popular vote, no respect. That's a good plan to model your new party on.
    Funny, I didn't say I modelled the Iced Tea Party on CAP. The U.S. Tea Party might be closer.

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  • Roger Patterson
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    aah yes, a party that has no seats, 0% of the popular vote, no respect. That's a good plan to model your new party on.
    Last edited by Roger Patterson; Monday, 28th June, 2010, 07:22 PM.

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  • Kevin Pacey
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    Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
    If you wish you can post a link to any (major?) parties' platform and let viewers compare.
    Here's an example of a brief 5-point policy party platform for you, spelled out (on the introductory page at least) at a vague level of detail similar to my platform:

    http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/policies

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  • Kevin Pacey
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    Originally posted by Roger Patterson View Post
    "real content". Really? So, to pick a random example from your list, do you plan to "Reduce the Deficit" by:

    a) Raising taxes
    b) Lowering taxes (and get more revenue from increased economic activity)

    c) Cut government spending across the board
    d) Increase government spending across the board (to increase economic activity)

    d) Cut government spending in specific programs
    e) Increase government spending in targetted programs (i.e. to increase productivity)

    e) Lower interest rates (=less interest on government debt)
    f) Print the money, not borrow it. (will raise interest rates due to inflation)

    g) Institute user pay programs for government services?
    h) Eliminate waste (an old favourite of critics)
    i) other

    All of these methods have someone, somewhere advocating them. So, you see, I'm not sure if you plan to increase or decrease taxes, raise or lower government spending, or what. Not to mention any internal contradiction with the rest of your platform.
    Choosing from methods a) to i) that you list may depend on the times/circumstances, possibly to be announced on an election trail :). There are enough other specifics in the Iced Tea Party platform (e.g. move away from multiculturalism) that could apply regardless of the times or mess on the books that a previous government leaves to be discovered.

    As for any internal 'contradictions' you may think there are in the platform, the points are given in order of descending priority, as stated. If you wish you can post a link to any (major?) parties' platform and let viewers compare.

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  • Roger Patterson
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    Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
    which is why I included such real content,.....
    "real content". Really? So, to pick a random example from your list, do you plan to "Reduce the Deficit" by:

    a) Raising taxes
    b) Lowering taxes (and get more revenue from increased economic activity)

    c) Cut government spending across the board
    d) Increase government spending across the board (to increase economic activity)

    d) Cut government spending in specific programs
    e) Increase government spending in targetted programs (i.e. to increase productivity)

    e) Lower interest rates (=less interest on government debt)
    f) Print the money, not borrow it. (will raise interest rates due to inflation)

    g) Institute user pay programs for government services?
    h) Eliminate waste (an old favourite of critics)
    i) other

    All of these methods have someone, somewhere advocating them. So, you see, I'm not sure if you plan to increase or decrease taxes, raise or lower government spending, or what. Not to mention any internal contradiction with the rest of your platform.
    Last edited by Roger Patterson; Monday, 28th June, 2010, 04:52 PM.

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  • Kevin Pacey
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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    A good politician would find a way to do it with the voters money.
    Or with donations from supporters. I may not have many supporters to start out with though :(.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post

    If I ever have money to burn, I may put my name/party on a ballot some day ;).
    A good politician would find a way to do it with the voters money.

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  • Kevin Pacey
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    Originally posted by Ken Craft View Post
    Where's the chess plank?
    It would be implicit under 'Improve Culture'. I didn't want to say it specifically, for fear of slanting the results on a chess message board.

    The parts in the brackets of each point of the platform can of course be fleshed out even further at a hypothetical Iced Tea policy convention :D. They are not all unobjectionable to everyone, as Roger points out, which is why I included such real content, in order not be just seen as pandering to everyone with an otherwise vacuous platform.

    Btw, the idea for such a platform/party came from the weekend conversations I have with my slightly younger brother. Last time he asked me what I'd do if I were Prime Minister. So I promised I'd write up a platform :). Putting it on chesstalk is for some discussion/feedback/polling. I once wrote a manifesto for Ottawa municipal politics on the old OCC message board, before it expired. I got no feedback. Sad, because I think municipal politics affects people's lives at least as much as other levels.

    If I ever have money to burn, I may put my name/party on a ballot some day ;).
    Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Monday, 28th June, 2010, 03:36 PM.

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  • Roger Patterson
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    let's see - all the platform points are:

    "Improve" something

    versus presumably the "party's" platform of "Make that thing worse"

    What you would call slanting the poll results. I will however point out that not everyone would agree that the part you give in brackets is synomonous with "Improve X" outside the brackets.

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  • Ken Craft
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    Where's the chess plank?

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