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I have a right to vote, or not to vote.
By exercising my right to vote, I do NOT lose my right to complain.
Even if my party wins, I still have a right to complain.
Just keep in mind what it really means to have a "right". We as members of this forum all have a "right" to post here... but at any time, Larry Bevand could revoke such rights for any individual or for all of us, and there's nothing we can do about that. Similarly with our political "rights". The government could decree tomorrow that any complaints against them are illegal, and you'd have to fight the armed forces (or get them to fight with you) to try and get your "rights" back.
And as Gary Ruben points out, exercising of rights should be tied to paying of taxes. Voting or not voting is SO overrated.
As far as "playing or not playing by the rules of the game" (which I think Joel brought up), I think that too comes down to paying taxes. The only way to really not play the game is not to pay taxes.
Moses and the Exodus is the main example of anti-slavery in the bible I'm thinking of.
I was thinking of Moses and the ten commandments. Any of the first four could have been replaced by "You shall not own slaves". Instead God worries about stuff like competition from other gods and whether people work seven days in a row.
IMO, if I vote for a party that didn't form the government, I have a right to complain about that government.
Fair enough, I support your right to an opinion. I just have an opposite one. Voters who complain make no sense to me. Agreeing to the rules of a game and then complaining when the game doesn't go your way is strange.
If you mean no regulations at all on businesses, I believe these need to be tightened and relaxed judiciously over time. The government needs to keep an eye on whether businesses are competing fairly. Partnership arrangements between business and government also shouldn't always be ruled out. Total seperation of business and government would be a Libertarian notion.
What I mean is this. The state should print its own money, and should not be borrowing from bankers who fabricate the money out of thin air. Banks should be the ones borrowing from the state. Public debt would not exist if we printed our own money as needed. And the economy would function at it fullest potential.
I'm repeating myself when I say that I think it's the voter's duty to choose the least evil. Or that the name of the party is the socially conservative sounding Iced Tea Party.
Larry might take a poll on whether to delete old threads, if he wishes.
It's a cliche, but it kind of rings true to me that if someone doesn't vote, they should know in their heart that they have no right to complain.
That's mindless. People who are paying taxes do have a right to complain under our system. That there is no candidate in their riding they can support with a vote is not their problem.
There should be some kind of rule about dragging up a thread from 5 years ago and polluting it with a religious political tone which would be better placed under a new topic. You should reread the 5 points you posted a half decade ago.
The opposite is actually true however. If you vote you've agreed to abide by the rules of the games and have given away your right to complain.
Holy crap, no way.
I have a right to vote, or not to vote.
By exercising my right to vote, I do NOT lose my right to complain.
Even if my party wins, I still have a right to complain.
What we need is the separation of business and state.
If you mean no regulations at all on businesses, I believe these need to be tightened and relaxed judiciously over time. The government needs to keep an eye on whether businesses are competing fairly. Partnership arrangements between business and government also shouldn't always be ruled out. Total seperation of business and government would be a Libertarian notion.
Paul, JFK was a Catholic and he had no problem going along with the seperation of church and state. If I entertained any thoughts of ever being PM I could at least have a free vote or referendum on any issues that many voters might find supremely controversial. The real problem IMO is voters deciding to return to old-fashioned values in droves, and a major push towards that goal IMHO would be better carried out by clergymen, ministering to politicians and aspiring parents for starters. The name 'Iced Tea Party' I thought made it clear that it would be a socially conservative party. The updated version spells this out more clearly.
If you want radical, look at what the socialist Pierre Trudeau did to this country. Or what Green Energy etc. has done to Ontario in recent years.
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Monday, 30th March, 2015, 12:57 PM.
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The debate has sort of morphed into something else entirely.
I guess I just find it interesting how the majority of the younger population isn't even bothering to listen to politicians any more (or vote). It's a funny situation that should be interesting to track for the next several decades.
It's a cliche, but it kind of rings true to me that if someone doesn't vote, they should know in their heart that they have no right to complain.
Paul, Joel asked for better politicians to vote for. I told him my opinion of the changes to current societal attitudes I personally thought it would take. Like I thought I alluded to earlier in this thread, I seperate my own religious views (e.g. on accounting for current social behaviors) from what I thought might perhaps make for an interesting political platform, in whole or in part, at least for some people.
This is what you wrote in your second post on this thread (in response to Ken Craft):
"...the idea for such a platform/party came from the weekend conversations I have with my slightly younger brother. Last time he asked me what I'd do if I were Prime Minister. So I promised I'd write up a platform".
So let's be clear that the platform you gave is YOUR platform. Now, you are asking us to believe that you would separate your own "Judeo-Christian" views (which Joel was so efficient at getting you to profess) from your platform if you were ever in the position of winning office even as Prime Minister.
Hey, if you want to run on that, go for it. Last U.S. election, one Rick Santorum held similar views and didn't try the obfuscation route you appear now to be attempting... oh, and there was Michele Bachmann too, making Sarah Palin look moderate. Americans proved they aren't ready (at least yet) for that kind of radicalism, and I suspect Canadians would do the same.
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