Re: The U 2000 Canadian Open Blog
Hi Matthew:
I'm sorry but in terms of bolding the favourites and projecting, what part of the day 3 blog are you referring to. I'm not aware I projected any winners in my Day 3 blog. Can you point me to the section? I've reread my blog a few times and don't know what you are referring to. I'll be glad to respond if I can understand the criticism. I can't even see any " bolded " names. Thanks.
Bob
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Re: The U 2000 Canadian Open Blog
I agree he can make projections, but what he did was simply predict the winners would win. That's an inherent assumption in any Swiss System, and requires no "projection" whatsoever.Originally posted by Tyler Longo View PostI think you are being too sensitive... its fully Bob's right to make "projections" if he wants to.
Also in terms of the pairings, while I agree its a pretty big problem why don't you just file an appeal already and move on? Its not the end of the world.. I can understand why someone like Bindi would be complaining because it was billed as a chance for him to get a norm, but I don't think its going to have much affect for any lower rated players this early in an open tournament. The pairings will "balance" out in the later rounds. Im not saying that it makes it OK, but that you really shouldn't waste so much time getting all bent out of shape over it.
With respect to the pairings, what good would filing an appeal at this juncture do? It would be procedural, nothing more.
With respect to the norm v. myself, I'm playing in the tournament to have fun. I have more fun when the tournament is administered properly. Although I don't care about the cash prize, I *would* like to win my category and set that as the goal when I entered the tournament. That task is made infinitely more difficult by the free pass two of my opponents got in Round 3.
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I think you are being too sensitive... its fully Bob's right to make "projections" if he wants to.Originally posted by Matthew Scott View PostHey Bob, you know, I think it's a bit crass to bold the favorites before the match starts.
It doesn't display much in the way of integrity. You might be interested to know that while it's true Supsup did go on to beat me, it was also after I had spent the previous hour arguing about the incorrectly done pairings, and was not at my best. Furthermore, I went on to beat one of the U2000 players who is ranked *above* Supsup tonight.
Furthermore, Tian Lan beat his opponent in Round #3.
It's certainly true that the higher rated player is the prohibitive favourite, but we all know that. Why do you need to bold it and call it a "projection"?
Also in terms of the pairings, while I agree its a pretty big problem why don't you just file an appeal already and move on? Its not the end of the world.. I can understand why someone like Bindi would be complaining because it was billed as a chance for him to get a norm, but I don't think its going to have much affect for any lower rated players this early in an open tournament. The pairings will "balance" out in the later rounds. Im not saying that it makes it OK, but that you really shouldn't waste so much time getting all bent out of shape over it.Last edited by Tyler Longo; Tuesday, 13th July, 2010, 11:18 PM.
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"The integrity of the process"????? I didn't realize that chess tournament pairings were so embued with integrity, but maybe that's just me.Originally posted by Matthew Scott View PostWhy? The pairings were wrong. It's destroyed the integrity of the process. I'd do it again.
I'm not saying that they were incorrect or correct, or that you shouldn't complain about them if they are done wrong. I am saying though that this really isn't the end of the world, and getting so bent out of shape is a waste of your time. Have fun complaining about pairings for an hour whenever you don't like them...
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Yes, but the beer at the bar at the Westin is rather prohibitively expensive.Originally posted by Nic Haynes View PostMaybe spending an hour arguing about pairings wasn't the best use of your time.
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Why? The pairings were wrong. It's destroyed the integrity of the process. I'd do it again.Originally posted by Nic Haynes View PostMaybe spending an hour arguing about pairings wasn't the best use of your time.
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Maybe spending an hour arguing about pairings wasn't the best use of your time.Originally posted by Matthew Scott View PostHey Bob, you know, I think it's a bit crass to bold the favorites before the match starts.
It doesn't display much in the way of integrity. You might be interested to know that while it's true Supsup did go on to beat me, it was also after I had spent the previous hour arguing about the incorrectly done pairings, and was not at my best. Furthermore, I went on to beat one of the U2000 players who is ranked *above* Supsup tonight.
Furthermore, Tian Lan beat his opponent in Round #3.
It's certainly true that the higher rated player is the prohibitive favourite, but we all know that. Why do you need to bold it and call it a "projection"?
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Hey Bob, you know, I think it's a bit crass to bold the favorites before the match starts.
It doesn't display much in the way of integrity. You might be interested to know that while it's true Supsup did go on to beat me, it was also after I had spent the previous hour arguing about the incorrectly done pairings, and was not at my best. Furthermore, I went on to beat one of the U2000 players who is ranked *above* Supsup tonight.
Furthermore, Tian Lan beat his opponent in Round #3.
It's certainly true that the higher rated player is the prohibitive favourite, but we all know that. Why do you need to bold it and call it a "projection"?
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Re: Day 3 - Monday, July 12: The U 2000 Can. Open Blog - Pt. II
Open tourneys are not well-designed to produce norms at all. In my opinion a better use of resources would be to make the Open the best overall tournament it can be for everyone (not just the small number seeking norms) and then run Round Robins or Schevenigens later in the summer for norms.
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Re: Day 3 - Monday, July 12: The U 2000 Can. Open Blog - Pt. II
if they want to want to promote norms i would think it would make sense to have a FIDE section and class sections (e.g. U2000, U1800, etc). the FIDE section would be for the norms, but for purists it would be open (e.g. even i could enter). the open part would suck for norm hunters, but scoring 0/9 would suck for U1700s playing in the FIDE section. someone (Jon Berry maybe) mentioned that you could discard games for a 9 round norm, so would something like this work better for a 10 or 11 round tourney, so if a norm hopefuly did happen to play someone like myself, it wouldn't be a waste of a week? thoughts?Originally posted by Ernest Klubis View PostVery interesting observations, some of which are debatable. Unfortunately, I don't have much time to argue today, but maybe in the near future. One interesting subject that I would like your opinion is on this Canadian Open having one section with so called "hyper-accelerated" pairings, since in four previous years you played under variety of different formats.
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Re: Day 3 - Monday, July 12: The U 2000 Can. Open Blog - Pt. II
Very interesting observations, some of which are debatable. Unfortunately, I don't have much time to argue today, but maybe in the near future. One interesting subject that I would like your opinion is on this Canadian Open having one section with so called "hyper-accelerated" pairings, since in four previous years you played under variety of different formats.Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View PostSome Random Thoughts After Day 3
Bob
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Re: Day 3 - Monday, July 12: The U 2000 Can. Open Blog - Pt. II
The U 2000 Canadian Open Blog - Pt. II
Day 3/Rd. 3 – Monday, July 12
Some Random Thoughts After Day 3
A good day for me – got a lot of my motions through the CFC AGM, and have an outstanding start to this year’s Canadian Open. It means I will have strong opposition for the next few rounds – that’s what I came for ! ( I entertain little expectation of prize money – we have many very good players in our section, and they will start to come on like gang-busters once the acceleration is stopped, and they start mopping up on lower-rated opposition, and even some higher-rated ones – and I am ranked # 56 out of 56 ! ).
Organizing a major Canadian tournament is no mean task. You have hundreds of players wanting everything to be perfect for them ( after all, they “ paid “ ). And chess players are not hesitant to criticize, if they feel slighted. I organized a weekend tournament once, and it was a small one, and it made me realize how much detail there is to pulling off one of these tournaments. I have the greatest respect for organizers. And I think I understand a bit, why we have such trouble getting bidders for our premier tournaments – the Open, the Closed, the Women’s Closed, etc. CFC needs to take a close look at our very fragile bidding system, to see how it can be strengthened. Your CFC governors took a first step at the AGM yesterday, when they passed my motion creating a new non-executive officer position of Tournament Coordinator. One of his tasks will be to help develop bids for our major tournaments. Hopefully this support for organizers will be part of trying to improve the situation. So I want to commend the COOC for the fine tournament they have provided, and I hope the pairing program glitch does not annihilate the thanks they deserve.
Shock !! – we are already 1/3 through the tournament already. The time is just flying by. What have I been doing? ( of course, you all know you can find out by reading my previous blog entries !! ). As the saying goes : “ Time flies when you are having fun ! “. And chess is fun, not only in playing, but in socializing, and even in CFC politicking ( hard to believe eh? – like putting pins in your eyes is fun??? ).
Round 4 – Tuesday, July 13
Wish me luck in Rd. 4 – there seems to be someone ( just a Canadian Champion ) blocking my continued way forward – and they’re not just stepping aside for me. Don’t they know that would be good manners? Mind you, I guess I’m not stepping aside for them either! Let the best player in the upcoming game win.
Bob
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Day 3 - Monday, July 12: The U 2000 Can. Open Blog - Pt. I
The U 2000 Canadian Open Blog - Pt. I
Day 3/Rd. 3 – Monday, July 12
Starting the Day Off Right
Monday morning, after Rd. 2, I did my Day 2 blog and posted it. I went to bed about 2:00 AM. I set the alarm for 8:00 AM, with some misgivings, since as I’ve mentioned, during CO’s, I often sleep only 4 hours. Well, true to form, guess who wakes up at 6:00 AM? Yup – 4 hours on the nose. But I said to myself – “ Self—this is ridiculous !” So I decided to lie there and see if I’d fall back to sleep. This almost never works, and I’m up in about 20 min.. But Monday morning, I actually fell back asleep until the alarm – was very helpful since I faced a 6 hour CFC AGM at 10:00 AM, and then Rd. 3 at 6:00 PM.
The CFC AGM
David Cohen, recording secretary for the Outgoing governors’ AGM, has already posted an executive summary of the meeting on this board, and there have been a few comments from others at the meeting – you can go take a look on that thread. I’ll only say that I was trying to shepherd through 16 motions ! I did pretty well. Only 3 of them got defeated ! Two got tabled to the Fall Quarterly Governors’ On-line Meeting Oct. 1-7 – at least they are still alive. The one I am most pleased about is the implementation of the procedures for the Governors’ On-line Meetings. We just made the 2/3 majority needed for a constitutional amendment, which this motion was, but we made it. Governor decision-making in the CFC just entered the 21st century !! I’d like to commend our Chairperson, Treasurer, Maurice Smith, who got us through all those 16 motions in the afternoon session ! And there were more than 50 % of the governors who showed up in person or by proxy – not great, but progress in terms of governor participation.
The Round 3 Pairings
In my Day 2 blog, I commented on the fact that the 3rd round pairings for our U 2000 class seemed odd. 3 of our group with 2/2 pts., were paired against C-class players. Also, I had expressed my confusion over the Hyper-accelerated pairings system being used. Well Erik Malmsten of the Organizing Committee explained it to me. The top quarter in Rd. 1 received 4 ghost pairing points. The second quarter – 3; third quarter – 2; bottom quarter – 1. Then form round 2 on, 1 ghost point is deducted, and pairings are according to the pairing points grouping. All well and good. But what about these strange pairings? Well, when I got to the playing hall, one of the players was yelling in a very loud voice about the pairings being absurd, and what was Hal Bond, Head Arbiter going to do about it? He apparently was right. Something had gone wrong. The CFC has a license to use a pairing system know as SwissSys. It is used across the country by organizers of CFC-rated events. And it is used at my club , Scarborough Chess Club. And it seems to work fine.
Well, apparently SwissSys just added a new module to their program to pair in a Hyper-accelerated system. I assume the CO organizers tested it out, maybe for a round or two. And it seemed to work fine. So they used it. Well the third round pairings clearly showed that there is a glitch in the Hyper-accelerated Pairings module. What a time to find out ! The organizers and Hal Bond put their heads together, to see if they could re-pair the round. That had many downsides – and they felt actually more than going with the wrong pairings, which by the way had been published on MonRoi early Monday morning, and so people had been preparing for their stated opponent. How many would have been happy with a re-pairing? They decided the lesser of two evils was to stay the course, weather the criticism, write SwissSys ( Help ASAP ! ), and pair manually for the final accelerated round 4 if necessary. I assume that when all ghost points are gone, they can just enter the results in the normal program, and have it pair from Rd. 5 onward. Stay tuned on this one.
Round 3 – Monday, July 12
As I’ve mentioned, there are 56 players in the U 2000 A Class, of which I am one ( the very last one ! ). After 2 rounds, there were only 3 of our group who had a perfect score – Ferdinand Supsup, Ed Zator, and Pino Verde ( SCC member ). Usually, the standings and pairings have been on the MonRoi site about 1:00 AM the day of the round. However, with the glitch I’ve discussed above, it was not there at 1:00 am this morning. So I was unable to complete all my blog and post it in the wee hours of the morning as I have for Day 1 and Day 2. I had to leave it ‘til later in the morning ( after my 4 hr. sleep?? – actually I got 6 hrs this morning ! ) to complete. By 8:00 AM, the pairings for the first 50 boards were up on MonRoi, so I was able to complete most of the blog before I had to head out to the 2nd half of the CFC AGM, the incoming governors AGM.
Of the 3 with the 2 wins, Ferdinand and Pino won ( as I said, they had been mispaired with C Class players with 2 wins )..
So here are the current leaders in our prize category:
1/2 . 3 points - Ferdinand Supsup ( 1851 ); Pino Verde ( 1800 ).
3/5 . 2.5 points – John Doknjas ( 1896 ); Arjun Baharat ( 1841 ); Bob Armstrong ( 1800 )
Ferdinand and Pino, despite their perfect scores, because of the accelerated pairings, are not on the top boards yet. But they still have a tough task to keep their winning streaks going – they both have to play national masters. Here are their Rd. 4 pairings:
23 Ferdinand Supsup (1851 : W : 3.0 [3.0]) David Filipovich (2218 : B : 2.0 [3.0])
24 Paul Gelis (2216 : W : 2.0 [3.0]) Pino Verde (1800 : B : 3.0 [3.0])
Good luck guys !
The 8 Scarborough Chess Club U 2000 Results:
( note: only the pairings of the first 50 boards have been posted at this time, so I cannot give the 3-round scores yet for 3 of the members – a couple I knew from talking to them )
3 points - Pino Verde ( 1800 )
2.5 points – Bob Armstrong ( 1800 )
2 points –
1.5 points – Robert Bzikot (1984 )
1 point – Michael Song (1866 ) ( after 2 rounds ); Ferdinand Cale ( 1806 ) ( after 2 rounds );
½ point – Jim Paterson ( 1889 ); Alex Rapoport ( 1838 ) ( after 2 rounds )
0 points – Pepin Manalo ( 1932 )
My Own Game
The pairing glitch put me up against a D-class player from SCC, Dinesh Dattani ( 1392 ), who had one win and one draw, like me. I have seen Dinesh play at the club, and he can put together some nice moves sometimes. I felt I had to be careful. In the opening I did get some space advantage on the Q-side, and some initiative. Then it seemed, Dinesh felt a bit panicky about the pressure, and decided to sac the exchange to relieve it. Well it did do that, and gave him counter-play on the Q-side, but the sac decision is certainly dubious. But he then played well, trying to eliminate the Q-side P’s so my exchange up advantage would be less valuable with equal pawns on the K-side. But then he faltered and didn’t follow through with this pawn exchange plan, and I was able to get back the initiative, and develop an attack on the K-side. Dinesh was in difficulty throughout, and it had taken him a long time to make some of his moves. In the end, with the pressure on him, he flagged ( but I think the game was lost at that point ).
So I end up with an amazing 2.5/3 points – though admittedly not against strong opposition. If they solve the rating program problem for round 4, I felt I was likely going to suffer retribution in the form of a very high-rated opponent – but the accelerated pairings softened the situation…a bit. In round 4, with White, I play up and coming young junior, Tanraj Sohal ( 2094 ). He just happens to be the current Under 14 Canadian Champion – at the recently concluded CYCC, he had 5 wins and 2 draws in his section! Should be a challenge – that’s why we come – to play chess !
( continued in Pt II below )Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Tuesday, 13th July, 2010, 08:56 AM.
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Day 2 - Sunday, July 11: The U 2000 Can. Open Blog
The U 2000 Canadian Open Blog
Day 2/Rd. 2 – Sunday, July 11
Starting the Day Off Right
During Canadian Opens, I don’t sleep much. Mind you, I don’t sleep a lot at the best of times. 1:30 AM – 7:00 AM ( 5 ½ hours ) is fairly normal. I do admit though, that being retired, I do rarely take an hour afternoon nap, but this is rather infrequently.
So how did I start off day 2? Well, I got home about 11:45 PM on Saturday night. I first wanted to check out the Canadian chess blogs, and some of the international ones. Then on Sunday early, I decided I was still wide awake and that it was a good time to do a post on the activity on the CFC Discussion Boards in the prior week – this took a bit of digging. I was the one who talked the CFC into reviving both the Governors’ Discussion Board, and the members’ CFC Chess Forum, after they had been let die for some time. It is gratifying to see that their activity has been slowly increasing, and that they both are now serving a useful purpose for the chess community ( though CMA’s ChessTalk is by far the more popular ). Being still wide awake, I thought I’d do my blog entry for “ Day 1 “. Since I was going to play Canadian GM Mark Bluvshtein at 11:00 AM Sunday morning, and I was not going to get to bed any too early, I couldn’t be sure I’d get up in time to do it before I had to leave. So I beavered away at the MonRoi standings and pairings, digging out the info I needed on our U 2000 group. Then I posted the “ Day 1 “ Blog. Finally, satisfied, and now getting a bit drowsy, I packed it in at 3:15 AM Sunday morning. I set the alarm for 9:00 AM, knowing that that was a joke. In the 4 consecutive prior Canadian Opens I’ve played in ( Kitchener, Ottawa, Montreal and Edmonton ), I average for about 6 of the 9 nights, 4 hrs. sleep. So when I woke up after 4 hours, at 7:15 AM, I was not surprised. Lo and behold, I suddenly had some time to do a draft of my “ Day 2 “ blog !!
The Simul
The CO Organizing Committee put together this year a great list of side events. The first was the simul by Canadian GM Mark Bluvshtein. Mark has generously volunteered that all proceeds from the simul will go towards the Canadian Olympiad teams. Seemed like a good deal to me – help out the teams, and get a game against Canada’s # 1 FIDE-rated player. Now my record in simuls against GM’s has not been great. In Edmonton, I played England’s sometimes top player, GM Mickey Adams. Unfortunately, in the early middle game, I got an N trapped, though I did get 2 pawns for it for a while, and some counter-play against his K trapped in the centre. But it was lost. Then this February, Scarborough Chess Club in Toronto, my home club, had GM Alexei Shirov in for a simul. I played my favourite Pirc Defence. Shirov, known for his attacking ability, played one of the sharpest attacking lines. At one point, I was up 2 pawns against him………….and dead in the water. Somehow English GM Gwain Jones got hold of the game for his blog. His comment on the game? “ Shirov blew his lower-rated opponent off the board. “ – I thought that was pretty accurate ! So I was not bringing a great track record into my game with Mark. How did I do?
Well, it started off well. Mark had white, and what did I pick? – my favourite King’s Indian Defence. The opening was pretty equal, but as time went on he was getting the initiative. At one point there was a lot of pressure on my f7P, and Mark exploited it with a nice B-sac to win the P. I did eventually win it back, but by then I was still losing the ending, and resigned. I lasted ‘til move 45, was one of the last ones to finish, and most of all, it was just a fun game.
So all in all, though I lost, I can say that my motto “ Chess is Fun “ is still in tact. And I wish Mark all the best in his upcoming Chess Professional year that he is starting out on soon.
Politicking
On Saturday, I had made arrangements to get together with two of the governors who I’ve worked with in the past on some of my motions to the CFC Governors, Michael von Keitz ( Ontario ), and Paul Leblanc ( B.C, ) – the one condition was that it was not to interfere with the World Cup final Sunday afternoon between Netherlands and Spain ( which everyone now knows Spain won ). So after the simul, I looked around to see if either of them really wanted to follow through on discussing all this exciting stuff that’s to go on at the CFC meeting today. Michael had made arrangements to meet someone re the World Cup, and so he didn’t have time to join Paul and I after the simul. I got myself a hot dog, and Paul and I sat down by the waterfront for a while, and chewed over some of the expected happenings. Then he left for a dinner engagement, and so I went and watched the World Cup game in a big sofa chair in the hotel lobby.
Round 2 – Sunday, July 11
The first thing to note, is that it appears my understanding of the Hyper-accelerated pairings system, which I used in my “ Day 1 “ Blog, may be wrong. I noticed Sunday morning, that in the pairings, they show the top quarter winners as now having 4 pairing points, their Rd. 1 win, and their 3 ghost points. I had thought in Rd. 2, everyone who had gotten a ghost point , lost one of them. So I had expected the top quarter winners to have only 3 pairing points. It seems they are not dropping any ghost points for Rd. 2. So someone better bring me up to speed on how this pairing system is working this year. Can anyone post here and explain it to me?
The second thing is that the pairings for Rd. 3 now show 258 registered players ( it had been 262, but some didn’t show, including 2 of the foreign GM’s )
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There were 22/ 56 players in our U 2000 group who got wins in Rd. 1. Of these, 11 got paired up against experts for Rd. 2. None of these won their games:
10 of the winners were playing someone from our own group. 3 players got a full point:
Ferdinand Supsup
Ed Zator
Pino Verde
One of the winners took a Rd. 2 bye.
So at the end of Rd. 2, we still have 3 players in our U 2000 group with 2 full points.
The 8 Scarborough Chess Club U 2000 Results:
2 points – Pino Verde
1.5 points - Bob Armstrong
1 point – Michael Song; Ferdinand Cale;
½ point – Robert Bzikot; Jim Paterson; Alex Rapoport
0 points – Pepin Manalo;
My Own Game
I played Black against Yves Ber (1914 ). Larry Bevand, CMA Executive Director, had warned me about Yves:
“ I don't want to get you worried or anything but Yves Ber spends most of his time in Guadeloupe these days where he owns property. Plenty of time to enjoy the sun, water and...study chess His son Alexandre, works for the CMA in Montreal and over the years has developed into one of our better chess teachers and arbiters... lots of chess blood in that family “
So though I am generally terrified of my opponents, I’m especially respectful of CMA associated ones ! So how did it go? Well, I was winning. I was up a passed P on the 3rd rank, had active pieces, and was pressuring the f2 square in front of his K. I kept looking for some tactical attack/sac, and checked one possibility, but I missed the key characteristic of the position. I had a nice B-sac/R-sac to get a Q, and then would have won. But I ended up with an extra P with opposite coloured B’s. Looked hard to win, so I just offered a draw, which Yves was most happy to accept. So I have 1.5/2 now.
Random Thoughts After Day 2
One thing I’m noticing, is that I’m keeping busy ! These first two days have just screamed by. And later today, and Tuesday, I have 6 hour back-to-back CFC AGM’s, in which I’m trying to shepherd through no less than 10 motions; and if I’m successful on challenging three rulings of our President Eric Van Dusen, it will be 13 motions. So the pace is not going to let up in the near future. But I must say, I’ve been enjoying every minute of it so far – wonder if I’ll be able to say that after the AGM’s?
The venue for this tournament is really great. The room is spacious, and there is lots of room between boards. The lighting is great, and the noise level low. Having MonRoi project the first 6 boards makes watching the top players easy. The four arbiters are constantly circling the hall, and handling matters quite efficiently from anything I’ve heard. And chess players just love ice water on the side boards.
The AGM’s are rather tiring. They are a bit of a cramp on your style, going into a game after a 6 hour meeting. I remember in Montreal, in Rd. 3, I played after a long outgoing governors AGM. I was tired. So tired in fact, that although I won ( we were one of the last games in the hall of course ), I went directly home ……….and forgot to mark my result on the pairings page. As a result, the TD paired the game as a draw for Rd. 4. I only realized my mistake when I came the next afternoon, and saw the pairings. Fortunately, the TD took pity on me, and did make the correction for the following round. So although I am looking forward to the meeting, and CFC making some good progress there, I’ll likely have to draw on some reserve energy for Rd. 3 tonight..
Projections for Rd. 3
One would think that the pairings for our three with 2 points would now start to get pretty tough with Rd. 3 Not so! They are all paired against mid-C Class players – due to the fact that one ghost point has now been eliminated in Rd. 3. Here are their Rd. 3 pairings:
47 Matthew Scott (1506 : w : 2.0 [2.0]) Ferdinand Supsup (1851 : b : 2.0 [2.0])
48 Ed Zator (1835 : w : 2.0 [2.0]) Tian Lan (1510 : b : 2.0 [2.0])
49 Pino Verde (1800 : w : 2.0 [2.0]) Bryant Yang (1500 : b : 2.0 [2.0])
Wish me luck in Rd. 3 !! I play another SCC member, Dinesh Dattani ( 1393 ).
BobLast edited by Bob Armstrong; Monday, 12th July, 2010, 08:25 AM.
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Re: The U 2000 Canadian Open Blog
I met Yves Ber 35+ years ago here in Nanaimo at a chess tournament. Great guy, but his surname is too short. :)
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