Occupy Movement is back

[Gary Ruben]

Re: Occupy Movement is back

Well, it seems now is the chance for the Occupy movement to try to make a difference in Ontario. Budget time in Ontario and a minority government.

The NDP, last time I read their position, wanted a wealth surtax on incomes over $500,000.00 per year plus child care, disability support, $100 million more in health care, scrapping plans to privatize the Ontario Northland Transportation corporation (whatever that is) and capping salaries of public sector executives at $418,000.00.

The premier was offering a bit more for child care and a 1% raise in benefits for the disabled which, in my opinion, will make what they receive a bit less pathetic. He'll pay for this by cutting from education and cutting from the drug plan, according to my newspaper.

Ms. Horwath completely misses the boat on the deterioration of the mental health system in this province, or possibly she doesn't know or agrees with what's happening with that.

So come next week we'll know if the NDP will accept a few crumbs from McGuinty or if they will go for a home run. The NDP has a chance to make a real difference, in my view, because I don't think the liberals are in a position to increase their number of seats in an election.

We'll see if the leader of the NDP can play high stakes poker with the premier of the province now she has something he needs.

[Bob Armstrong]

Occupy Movement - What is the Future?

To mark the 4 month anniversary of the first OWS occupation at Zucotti Park in New York City, the Occupy movement marched on Capital Hill yesterday to protest corporate money influence on US politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5K0m...feature=relmfu

Protesters also returned recently to Zucotti Park, but without their tents.

( from New York Times ) Kalle Lasn ..... is the editor of Adbusters, whose Twitter tag #OccupyWallStreet branded the movement last summer. He does not feel the Occupy movement needs to look to the Port Huron statement for guidance. “If you ask me what is the most powerful, personal and collective feeling of people in the Occupy movement, it is a feeling of gloom and doom, that they’re looking toward a black hole future,” Mr. Lasn said. “I’m not quite sure we need a manifesto to say that.”

Bob A

[Gary Ruben]

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Kevin, like I said, I remember him from his cabinet days. However, what he's done since isn't something that has stuck in my mind. He had his 15 minutes.

They should back peddle on on that snooping (or spy if your prefer) bill. Harper should replace that minister.

[Kevin Pacey]

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Hi Gary

I recalled you mentioned Paul Hellyer was mentioned, when I posted concerning CAP ages ago. Indeed, my memory turned out to be correct:

http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/show...t=Paul+Hellyer

Regarding the federal (Conservative) bill you mentioned, it appears from what I've seen in the media that they may be beginning to back peddle on that one.

In the last federal election I faced a dilemma. No fringe party to vote for in my riding, other than the Greens, which were unacceptable to me (for reasons McGuinty's Green Energy policy has highlighted). I held my nose and voted, against the possibility of a coalition. I don't believe in not voting. In such a case, even fringe parties that no one likes might get in, if almost everyone abstained too.

My preference is for the Family Coalition (sp?) guy who runs in our riding, though lately he's only been doing it provincially. Of course, if no parties ran in this country that were anything but toxic (e.g. communist, like the NDP's constitution was based on when it was first formed), then I'd have to choose between running myself, if I could, or leaving the country, the latter being the realistic option.

[Gary Ruben]

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Hi Guys:

Is this the same party founded by ex-Conservative/ex-Liberal , Paul Hellyer?

Bob A

I remember Hellyer but have no idea regarding your question.

Seeing as how this thread is about rebelling and that sort of thing, I believe in fighting the fights that need fighting.

An example would be that bill they want to bring in which allows snooping on peoples internet and online connections.

[Gary Ruben]

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Bob Rae is and has always been a liberal.

Bob Rae was elected on a platform of public auto insurance, if you recall. When he got elected that promise went by the wayside.

The problems ran deeper than his handling of the economy.

[Bob Armstrong]

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Hi Guys:

Is this the same party founded by ex-Conservative/ex-Liberal , Paul Hellyer?

Bob A

[Bob Armstrong]

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Bob Rae's plan to spread the pain was a stroke of genius - the unions were too self-interested to cooperate. He took over an Ontario in the worst recession since the Depression. And yes, he was a pragmatic NDP'er, not an ideologue. It's why he is proving an excellent interim Liberal leader. They could do worse than let him have a try at their leadership federally.

Bob A

[Gary Ruben]

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Here's the latest incarnation of the Canada Action Party website's policy statements:

If I understand some of the issues (objectives?) of the Occupy Movement properly, not all of CAP's policies would suit them.

I'm not interested in the fringe partys. One thing I've noticed about demonstrations. You can tell when there's going to be violence. The signs and slogans are nailed to two by fours.

[Kevin Pacey]

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Here's the latest incarnation of the Canada Action Party website's policy statements:

http://actionparty.ca/policies/

If I understand some of the issues (objectives?) of the Occupy Movement properly, not all of CAP's policies would suit them.

[Kevin Pacey]

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A (federal) party that would've addressed an Occupy issue (globalization) was CAP (Canada Action Party), which was formed by disaffected Liberal and NDPers who were, perhaps above all, anti-globalization (I once posted their platform on chesstalk). Now it's too late to do much about globalization, at least not at a relatively inexpensive cost to the world economy.

[Gary Ruben]

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McGuinty and his government have been relatively good on chess issues. If they would abandon that idiotic Green Energy Plan (the economy will dictate that it must end) and suppressed some of their nanny state tendencies, and stopped eroding personal freedoms and stopped making secret deals with civil servants, I might even grow to like them.

Usually when times get bad and there is a mess the government changes and the next party has to clean up the mess. In this case McGuinty will have to clean up after the last 8 years.

So far we've seen a stop put to electric generating station in Mississauga. I know it was a campaign promise to stop it but they way it was done suggests a combination of a money problem and a lack of necessity for the electricity. It's like a third world country which runs out of money and stops building.

I think he knows he has to get costs under control. Even the Toronto Star is getting down on the spending. They have been running a series of articles on Ornge as an example. I have some shares in Torstar so read their paper. It's a good investment because so many chess players read this left wing stuff.

I don't know how much more they can screw health care. Or tighten the screws, if you like that term better. Those who use the mental health services, which doesn't include me although there are probably those who would argue it should, will likely have noticed a deterioration in the past few years.

Cancer care depends and I suppose the outcome is what's important. In my case, what I got was dictated by what the province covered. On the one hand what he later said I would get next time wasn't covered last time, it's unknown if it would have worked as well as what I got. Still, I was left to pay 26 thousand in drug bills (2 thousand every 3 weeks). A private drug plan paid part of that but not all. I don't know how much more they can cut and still have universal health care.

I remember before government health care I had private health coverage. They came with the public system and promised they would always be there for us and look after our health. The private companies closed down. Remember it was a conservative government which was in power in Ontario at the time. They banned extra billing by doctors.

Saying right wing good, left wing bad is simplistic. It depends because demands of the times and opportunism gets in the way.

[Ken Craft]

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Bob Rae is and has always been a liberal.

[Kevin Pacey]

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Kevin, You keep forgetting the party closest to the Occupy Movement's goals.

Ken, you perhaps keep forgetting what Bob Rae and the NDP's legacy were when they were in power in Ontario. The unions were not too pleased with Mr. Rae. I'll give you the provincial economy didn't tank quite as badly as under McGuinty's Liberals, but it sure did tank. Bob Rae was *legendary useless* for the province.

[Zeljko Kitich]

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Hard to take the occupy movement seriously when even the left wing Toronto Star prints such articles.

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Love the Star Wars references. This guy has control issues obviously.