Canada - Next Federal Gov't?

[Gary Ruben]

Re: 1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

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[Bob Armstrong]

Re: 1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

Bob, there's a fine point in law. A person has to be charged with something before he can be convicted.

The two byelections in the East were pretty predictable. I'm happy the NDP didn't win in the Toronto riding.

With the Manitoba ridings, Provencher voting Conservative was almost a given. I'm surprised Brandon-Souris was so close.

Anyone think the evidence will surface that would allow a charge against Harper (regardless of whether the charge might ever be laid)?

Anyone think that there is already now enough public evidence that he should be charged?

Bob A

Edited: 13/11/27 - Full Ruben post inserted for original partial quote.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: 1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

Bob, there's a fine point in law. A person has to be charged with something before he can be convicted.

The two byelections in the East were pretty predictable. I'm happy the NDP didn't win in the Toronto riding.

With the Manitoba ridings, Provencher voting Conservative was almost a given. I'm surprised Brandon-Souris was so close.

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: 1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

.......I predict a Conservative minority, an NDP Opposition (reduced somewhat), and the Lib's just missing getting ahead of the NDP.......Bob A

Hi Gary:

This is only my prediction for the moment. We have a long time 'til V-day. Things can happen that change the outlook - like a Harper conviction. So don't start spending that $ 20 of mine yet, even if I have at this moment, conceded the possibility that the NDP may not form the next federal government of Canada.

Bob A

[Gary Ruben]

Re: 1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

Hi Gary:

To quote a profound American philosopher: "It 'aint over, 'til it's over!"

Bob A

Hi Bob,

It's over. I doubt Chow would be considering a run at Toronto mayor if she thought she had a chance to make a real difference as a minister in a federal government.

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: 1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

Hmmm........ You wanna send me my $20. now?

Hi Gary:

To quote a profound American philosopher: "It 'aint over, 'til it's over!"

Bob A

[Gary Ruben]

Re: 1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

Hi Vlad:


I predict a Conservative minority, an NDP Opposition (reduced somewhat), and the Lib's just missing getting ahead of the NDP.

Hmmm........ You wanna send me my $20. now?

I would imagine the next federal election will be about the same time as the Ontario Municipal. Hopefully, it will be close enough the candidates will have to choose one election or the other.

Watching Chow on TV she seems to be considering contesting the mayoralty position. A great campaign slogan would be Chow For Now.

This could be fun if she runs, Tory runs, Ford runs, Minnyon-Wong runs, and an assortment of left wingers whose names completely escape me.

Watching U.S. TV it looks like Ontario and Toronto are being portrayed as jurisdictions which don't understand the importance of having elected officials. Not really a good place to do business. Rob is funny on TV BUT many people are smart enough to listen to the underlying message on the lack of democracy in this province. Country Risk, if you know what that is, comes into investing decisions. You might have noticed that huge investment in the Ring of Fire chromite deposit has been suspended. I don't see it coming back this decade.

[Fred Harvey]

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Anyone else want to hazard a prediction after seeing this mini-run of the 2015 election?

Bob A

A Liberal majority, an NDP official opposition, and the Conservatives no-where!

Do you see the uncanny similarity today to the demise of Mulroney, when he was moved out as arguably the most unpopular P.M. in history....remember "lyin' Brian"....to leave the hapless and hopeless Kim Campbell to preside over the devastating reduction to two seats? Who do you think the hapless Conservative sap will be in 2015?

The electorate will vote for change, without getting all confused with facts or records......lol!

[Bob Armstrong]

1st? 2nd? 3rd? - Next Federal Parliament - Canada

Faint hope apparently. I had a had time finding out the results of the election on the news as it seemed low on the priority list. Good thing there is an internet to get the unvarnished results. Conservatives hang on and win two previously held seats and Liberals win two previously held seats is the final result. Not looking good for the NDP and their prospects. Conservatives are as weak as they ever will be due to the ongoing Senate scandals. Justin Trudeau passes his first test.

I don`t normally follow the huffingtonpost.com but they were one of the first results on a google search.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11...n_4342288.html

Hi Vlad:

Well, I didn't hear another China blooper out of our Mister Wonderful. And it seems the public is interested in him.

What's interesting however, is that the Liberals got into dogfights with both the Conservatives, and the NDP. Both the Conservatives and the NDP maybe now see they have a formidable force to reckon with. I bet many ridings will now see the Liberals battering at both Conservative and NDP ridings, and turning them into a 2-way battle, with the third party lagging far behind usually.

So are the Liberals going to wrest any ridings away? Seems they are going to get some, though they just missed this time.

I predict a Conservative minority, an NDP Opposition (reduced somewhat), and the Lib's just missing getting ahead of the NDP.

Anyone else want to hazard a prediction after seeing this mini-run of the 2015 election?

Bob A

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Canada - Next Federal Gov't?

Hi Kevin:

In Toronto (Toronto-Centre?), the NDP has a hope in Linda McQuaig, despite the Liberal history there.

Bob A

Faint hope apparently. I had a hard time finding out the results of the election on the news as it seemed low on the priority list. Good thing there is an internet to get the unvarnished results. Conservatives hang on and win two previously held seats and Liberals win two previously held seats is the final result. Not looking good for the NDP and their prospects. Conservatives are as weak as they ever will be due to the ongoing Senate scandals. Justin Trudeau passes his first test.

I don`t normally follow the huffingtonpost.com but they were one of the first results on a google search.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11...n_4342288.html

[Gary Ruben]

Re: CCL plant closure - reasons?

Strange that the report from the FP doesn't mention those reasons at all. Perhaps they didn't get the memo.

The article mentions the operation had not made money since 2009. They call it unprofitable. Presumable they will make money by moving production to the U.S, and Mexico.

It's no comfort for the 170 workers who will have to look for work elsewhere, but one wonders what the (environmental) consequences of an aerosol container factory are in any case. See The Aerosol Can Debate Continues

Do you mean you wonder? I don't care. I'm more interested in seeing a provincial government which can keep jobs in Ontario.

Increasing electricity costs is a tax on business. The more electricity used the greater the tax burden. When calculating the cost of producing an item the electricity cost has to e viewed on a per item basis.

In the U.S. they still make close to 40% of their electricity from cheap coal.

[Nigel Hanrahan]

CCL plant closure - reasons?

It looks like the CCL plant in Penetang is closing.

Taxation and higher energy prices will continue in Ontario until the morale improves. Buy green energy. It's cheap at twice the price.

Strange that the report from the FP doesn't mention those reasons at all. Perhaps they didn't get the memo.

The rising Canadian dollar and its distance from key customers hurt the operation about 150 kilometres north of Toronto.

It's no comfort for the 170 workers who will have to look for work elsewhere, but one wonders what the (environmental) consequences of an aerosol container factory are in any case. See The Aerosol Can Debate Continues

The discovery of the ozone hole in 1985 over Antarctica sparked the strengthening of the Montreal Protocol, which restricted the industrial production of chlorinated and brominated compounds, as well as the more commonly know chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) emitted from aerosol spray cans.

According to the EPA, CFCs were officially banned from aerosol cans in 1978. While airborne CFCs are no longer an issue, aerosol cans still have hazardous characteristics, making them hard to recycle.

[Gary Ruben]

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It looks like the CCL plant in Penetang is closing.

Taxation and higher energy prices will continue in Ontario until the morale improves. Buy green energy. It's cheap at twice the price.

http://www.thestar.com/business/2013...shene_ont.html

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: Canada - Next Federal Gov't?

I haven't checked the polls, but as far as Monday's four federal byelections go it wouldn't surprise me if the Liberals sweep. Two of the four I have heard are safe Liberal seats, while the one in Manitoba that the Cons were counting on as being safe for them is now apparently in play, with a heavy turnout at the advance polls and Justin Trudeau spending a lot of time visiting the riding.

Hi Kevin:

In Toronto (Toronto-Centre?), the NDP has a hope in Linda McQuaig, despite the Liberal history there.

Bob A

[Kevin Pacey]

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I haven't checked the polls, but as far as Monday's four federal byelections go it wouldn't surprise me if the Liberals sweep. Two of the four I have heard are safe Liberal seats, while the one in Manitoba that the Cons were counting on as being safe for them is now apparently in play, with a heavy turnout at the advance polls and Justin Trudeau spending a lot of time visiting the riding.