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Next, he'll be predicting global climate change. Oy vey.
Incidentally, David Attenborough has changed his mind about anthropogenic climate change. Before, he was a denier (or at least a skeptic), now he's pretty much convinced. I didn't follow any of the chesstalk threads on that subject, but I do have a question. Did the chesstalk debate occasion any person who posted in the threads to change their mind? A "no" answer would say more about chess players than it would about climate.
The raising of the age of retirement to 67 will scare some, but many Conservative voters are already 65.
I thought they were raising the age at which a person will be able to collect full OAS and the supplement, if a person qualifies for the supplement. Canada Pension, for the full pension, to remain at 65.
The way I see it, raising the age is more in line with the increasing life expectancy these days.
A person can retire at any age. They need not work at all if they don't want. But they will have to wait until 67 to collect those entitlements.
If a political party wants to make it an issue in the next election and move the age back to 65 there is no reason that can't be done.
The next election won't be won by political ideology. The core voters will always be there maybe 20% Conservative, 16% Liberal, 12% NDP. Non-political people will have to get so fed up with dictator Harper as to vote for a change, be it Liberal or NDP. Unfortunately, there might have to be a natural disaster from environmental deregulation. One party has to sweep Ontario and Quebec. When the "right" was split between Reform and PC, the Liberals won. Now the "left" is split, so it will be much harder to unseat Harper.
The federal tories are following the path of Mike Harris by starting their majority with one gigantic bill containing many little nasty ideological agendas. The public in Ontario then wasn't outraged about the undemocratic nature of pushing through legislation and reelected them. There were, however, some problems such as deaths from cutting water regulations and forcing local municipal governments together and passing on the costs of programs to municipalities [the passing down started by the federal Liberals]. And despite the downloading of expenses the deficit wasn't reduced, just taxes were. The $50,000,000 hole that got filled in for the subway to the airport is now being redug for the new streetcar line. The federal tories have their own money pits such as new military vehicles.
As for EI I thought that it was Insurance paid for by employers and employees, not from taxes --It's not a government hand-out program. It should be run as a service, quickly giving people their first cheque and emailling suitable jobs without threats.
It's interesting that 2 previous tory fishing ministers are against the changes being forced through.
The raising of the age of retirement to 67 will scare some, but many Conservative voters are already 65.
Well, the good result is that everyone now knows 2 things:
1. The Conservatives are abusing their majority, and gutting democracy , by using a budget bill to try to hide all kinds of ideological knives ( aptly called a trojan horse bill by the NDP );
2. We know now for what the Conservatives have the ideological knives out.
I would not want my MP to sit idly by and let the budget pass uncontested. Although the 22-hour voting was mostly futile, it's a lot better than not voting at all.
Looks like Horwath is trying to do that in Ontario. If the Liberals don't have the support by the time of the vote I expect them to ask for an election. I doubt they will allow the budget to be voted and defeated or passed as amended by the opposition.
John Diefenbaker did something like that. He was given a minority government. After a few short months he went back to the voters telling them the opposition would not allow him to govern, and asking for a majority. They gave him a huge majority at the time.
Politics in Ontario has suddenly become interesting.
The tone from the official Opposition was oddly celebratory, given that they’d just faced 22-plus hours of consecutive spankings by the Conservative majority. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...-vote-wrapped/
LOL! What did Elizabeth May and her NDP/Liberal cohorts accomplish? Exactly nothing. Is that the best that they can do? Delay things 22 hours? I am sure that it was May's finest hour. LOL!
Stephan Harper will be a bit sleepy for the big announcement in Windsor and Detroit for the agreement on building the new DRIC bridge.
It looks like McGuinty, who promised us no new taxes over the years and then added taxes, is finding out what it feels like to get jerked around by Horvath..
Judging by last months net job losses I'd say the problems here in Ontario are relatively serious. I wonder how the savings bond program they are advertising on TV is going in view of the political turmoil. Who wants Ontario bonds with the NDP pulling the strings?
I do believe he means to call an election over the budget if they don't pass it without changes. Having the government in these kind of times can not be fun. Whoever wins won't likely be popular after the next four years.
And a new leader is not going to help the Liberals, who have now had their days in the sun, and squandered them with scandals, etc.
With Bob Rae as leader [oops looks like Bob Rae has had enough of the sideshow - Nevermind the Liberals are doomed unless Justin Trudeau can get his act together fairly quickly...] the Liberals will surpass the NDP as the opposition in the next election. Liberals will move away from the left and try to occupy the center/left of the political spectrum. If the Conservatives do too many boneheaded things between now and then, the Liberals might even win a minority government. If the Conservatives refrain from stupidity they will win another majority.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Friday, 15th June, 2012, 03:43 PM.
We could hope the government would fall, if their benches all deserted the sinking ship!
Bob
Hi Bob,
If Bob Rae were to lead the liberals into an election under your scenario he could well end up with more ridings than Mulcair.
I notice the Ontario Liberals are starting to realize the high cost of electricity is costing Ontario jobs and wants to give lower hydro rates for creating jobs.
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