CFC and the FQE have come to an agreement!

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  • Egidijus Zeromskis
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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    There may have been some advertising involved.
    I think though too. The magazines had advertizements of correspondence chess quite often, and their Presidents were featured on covers :D

    It is quite funny to read old magazines, especially the Letter section - an analog of the chesstalk and even same persons :D

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Quebec players participated in the CCCA during the 1970's and 1980's. As the CCCA membership grew the percentage of Quebec players remained constant which meant we gained members in that province as well. The percentage of Quebec members was around 30% or more.

    I view problems between the CFC and FQE to be unique to the two organizations as it didn't carry over to correspondence chess. Hopefully they will work it out.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Ken Craft View Post
    I have asked the question on the Governors' Baord and have yet to receive an answer.
    Strange it wouldn't have been considered. That point jumped off the screen when I read the document.

    I'm assuming this is coming about because of the low CFC membership and possibly the same trend for the FQE. Something to keep chess relevant in Canada.

    I view the amount of money involved as token and doubt many see 9 dollars per adult as a large amount of money. I can recall at one time we paid 50 cents per member to the CFC for those who were not members of the CFC as well as the CCCA. Sorry but I can't recall what we got in return, if anything. It was in the '70's as I recall. There may have been some advertising involved.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
    Awesome, now is your golden chance. Run Jean run. See Jean run for FQE president and win. :D:D
    Hmm...That makes me wonder.

    Who are the governors of the FQE? How many are there?
    How does the FQE governance structure work? Similar to CFC?

    Were any of the current FQE governors around when Quebec split from the CFC, oh so many years ago?

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  • Zeljko Kitich
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    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    FQE out-going president Poulin, who knew next to nothing about chess and the FQE-CFC problem just four years ago, believes that he has found the solution to a 40 year old problem that he has never fully understood. He won't be around to deal with the consequences as he has announced that he was leaving his position in a few weeks at the FQE AGM.
    Awesome, now is your golden chance. Run Jean run. See Jean run for FQE president and win. :D:D

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Originally posted by Ken Craft View Post
    I have asked the question on the Governors' Baord and have yet to receive an answer.
    This is in itself an answer. And an embarrassing one. The people involved would be so happy to be able to announce that the thing has been validated and checked by someone competent to do so. But a simple informed glance at it tells otherwise. Now we are apparently stuck with a "beast" that cannot be corrected or improved, unless negociations are resumed. The dangers of the situation become quite evident : there is a temptation in order not to lose face (this is how some people see the act of admitting that they might not be perfect) to go ahead with it as is no matter what, hoping that "good faith" will fix the loveless marriage along the way.
    On the FQE side this is already the way that has been chosen. FQE out-going president Poulin, who knew next to nothing about chess and the FQE-CFC problem just four years ago, believes that he has found the solution to a 40 year old problem that he has never fully understood. He won't be around to deal with the consequences as he has announced that he was leaving his position in a few weeks at the FQE AGM.

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  • Ken Craft
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    I have asked the question on the Governors' Baord and have yet to receive an answer.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Ken Craft View Post
    Does anybody know if the proposed agreement has been reviewed by legal counsel?
    The in house chess lawyers :) have been actively discussing this both here and on the French language side of the board.

    Probably that's a question you should ask the executive before you cast your governors vote on the agreement. I'd hope there is a lot of good will on both sides.

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  • Ken Craft
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    Does anybody know if the proposed agreement has been reviewed by legal counsel?

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    This is not stated in the agreement. But if it was, who would then choose this most important chairing person with two votes ? Which 50% would have the deciding vote in choosing the guy with the decisive vote ? :)
    The only thing I got from reading what was posted is that it does not specify what would happen in the event of a tie. All scenarios which are being written are speculation.

    Personally, I don't see how chess can compete with all the new toys these days. This week I'm playing with my new BlackBerry Playbook. Last week it was with the Apple product. It must be getting hard to sell chess memberships with all those other toys.

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
    The chairing person of the trusties may have a decisive vote, i.e., two votes, and (s)he is alternated every year between the CFC and the FQE members.
    This is not stated in the agreement. But if it was, who would then choose this most important chairing person with two votes ? Which 50% would have the deciding vote in choosing the guy with the decisive vote ? :)

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  • Zeljko Kitich
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    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    IYou could have said that if had been involved in those negociations. But I wasn't. Everything that I become part of, actually work.
    Well perhaps with that wonderful track record and the desire to run things you should consider running for the executive of the FQE. What voter could resist voting for such a perfect and infallible candidate?

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  • Egidijus Zeromskis
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    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    "Annual fees collected are placed in a trust, earmarked for FIDE-related* expenses, overseen by 50% FQE Trustees and 50% CFC Trustees."
    At first sight nothing wrong with it. How can things be more fair than fifty-fifty ? But after a while one realise the true meaning of it : both sides (but more importantly the FQE) will have a right of veto on how to spend the FQE money put in that thrust, meant for international expenses ! If for some reason the FQE side does not agree on how or how much or anything else, it can say "no" and paralyse everything. ?
    The chairing person of the trusties may have a decisive vote, i.e., two votes, and (s)he is alternated every year between the CFC and the FQE members.

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Originally posted by Larry Bevand View Post
    Hi Jean,

    You are bringing out some interesting questions which deserve clarification.

    The document I believe was a framework for future relations between the two organizations.

    As a lawyer once explained to me....the best contract in the World means nothing if both parties are not "de bonne foi".

    Larry
    Hi Larry,
    To my understanding this is not a framework, it is unfortunately a binding three year deal about to be submitted to a governor vote. Nothing less. My experience in life contracts tells me that to be "de bonne foi" is never enough. And that a good partnership cannot stand on a simple transfer of money.

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  • Jean Hébert
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    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
    You are very good at predicting disaster.
    I like your sense of humor even if most of the time you stand on my ignore list. I don't predict disaster, I try to avoid it.
    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
    You don't seem to be anywhere near as good at making things work.
    You could have said that if had been involved in those negociations. But I wasn't. Everything that I become part of, actually work.
    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
    You are like the bystander telling the builder that the cathedral will never stand up without any better ideas of your own.
    I do believe that I have better ideas, but they are in total opposition with the current FQE leadership. Even along the lines defended by them, a satisfactory deal was possible but now it has become very difficult to backtrack without one party feeling betrayed.
    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
    Or like the guest at the wedding who keeps telling every one it will never last because you don't see what she sees in him.
    Problem is that the "guest" is more often than not right :).
    Two married people can very well be in love with each other if they are not married together. -Sacha Guitry
    Last edited by Jean Hébert; Wednesday, 27th June, 2012, 09:01 AM.

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