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    Democratic Marxism

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    A. Statements

    Statement # 1

    Democratic Marxism operates within a democratic multi-party electoral system. It can be voted into government; it can be voted out of government. There will be no one-party system.

    Statement # 2

    Democratic Marxism respects:

    a. Human Rights

    b. Constitutional Rights

    c. Worker's Rights

    d. Rights accorded by Laws

    Statement # 3

    Democratic Marxism respects all religions, and those not adopting religion, but is neutral between them all. DM takes no position on Atheism, Agnosticism or the Theisms. It will not be a theocracy, but a neutral civic administrator.

    Supporting Reasons


    Government has no business allying itself with any particular Church, Mosque, Temple, Synagogue. But being respectful of Religions, and being neutral religiously in civic administration, does not necessarily mean that government employees must check the unique trappings of their religion at the door of their civic place of employment.

    Despite the conflicts resulting from the actions of various religions, both now and historically, it is the case that all religions teach citizens a model of a good life in society (Though adherents more or less adopt the model). Society in general benefits from this, and in the balance, the positive for society has outweighed the negative.

    Statement # 4.

    World-wide, in the past, people have had a structure of government imposed on them by a minority.

    Statement # 5.

    Over time, electors have democratically accepted the government structure proposed at the time, usually some variant of earlier forms of government (Who are "electors" has evolved over time).

    Statement # 6.

    Some societies have had imposed on them, or chosen by election, a dictatorship (Rule by the One). However, some societies have chosen by election, a democracy (Rule by the Majority).

    Statement # 7.

    People have passed "Constitutions" and developed Courts in order to have human rights respected and to prohibit the tyranny of the majority.

    Statement # 8.

    People (A majority of the local government, at least) have the right to agree with each other on a government structure for themselves and can join hands to act jointly to govern themselves, and act in a way they feel "benefits themselves and humanity", so long as there is a respect for basic human rights.

    Statement # 9

    “Direct” democracy is preferable to “Representative” Democracy, if implementable. Usually, direct democracy has been practiced in small, local political units. But with today's technology, direct democracy voting can be used within larger political units.


    Statement # 10

    Since people should be able to focus on higher activities of life (Philosophy, the Arts, Politics, etc.), automation will be a key factor in making this happen. It can free people from lower, less rewarding, work and life tasks. So some citizens will be able to dedicate more time to public life and government, and how to improve it.

    Statement # 11

    Good education enlightens the mind. Today's rote data learning only challenges the memory. Without the former, society will have neither a wise electorate, nor a wise government.

    Supporting Reasons


    Government has no business allying itself with any particular Church, Mosque, Temple, Synagogue. But being respectful of Religions, and being neutral religiously in civic administration, does not necessarily mean that government employees must check the unique trappings of their religion at the door of their civic place of employment.

    Despite the conflicts resulting from the actions of various religions, both now and historically, it is the case that all religions teach citizens a model of a good life in society (Though adherents more or less adopt the model). Society in general benefits from this, and in the balance, the positive for society has outweighed the negative.

    Statement # 12

    Currently, and in the past, most daily services for residents have been the jurisdiction of cities, towns, villages, townships, etc...What is found is that this tends to minimize abuse of authority and criminality.


    Supporting Reason

    The residents all know each other, know what is going on, and discuss it among themselves. They can intervene where something is going off the rails, because the power system is small and local. In representative government, in small format, the politicians are neighbours of the electors......the representatives cannot afford to make the residents' lives miserable, or so will be their local life.

    [Secretarial Note: Statements # 1 - # 12 on Democratic Marxism have been endorsed as accurate by:

    a. A group of about 250 members of a Fb group, The Democratic Marxist Global Forum (DMGF). They represent the partisan political spectrum, and the issue spectrum.

    b. A group of about 40 Canadian chess tournament players on their national chess discussion board, ChessTalk (Non-Chess Topics). They represent the partisan political spectrum, and the issue spectrum.]

    B. Statements Processing Protocol

    The "Conversation Format Protocol" used operates on two approaches:

    a. The Revision Challenge:
    1. Someone puts forward a Statement, with Support Reasons (Executive Summary format preferred) that they believe to be generally accepted by this group.
    2. If within one week, no DMGF'er launches a “Revision Challenge”, with reasons, to the Statement (It does not represent Democratic Marxism as seen by this group), then it is deemed generally accepted and joins the list of DM Statements.

      3. The Statement can be subject to a “Revision Challenge”. A Statement, when proposed, is given the initial benefit of the doubt that it is indeed "generally-accepted". So it is up to the Revision Challenger to muster support, and establish that the Statement is not “generally accepted” as DM policy. [This follows the Quebec parliamentary procedure: Where there is no objection to a motion put, then no discussion or voting is necessary. The motion is given the benefit of the doubt that it is generally accepted; it is passed (by a majority, at least, if not unanimously)]. A “Revision Challenge” can be processed to get an agreed upon Statement. Then it is processed in the normal way.

    b. Opposition Challenge

    1. A "Challenge" of the Statement that it is unworkable/untenable, with Opposition Reasons, can be put forward, once the Statement has been settled. This group can then see both sides of the issue, before they can make any good assessment as to whether or not they wish to Support the Statement or Supplement the Challenge. There will be a one week period for this.

    2. When the deadline has expired, the Group Secretary makes the decision as to whether the Statement has been generally accepted, and will join the list of other generally accepted Statements.

    3. Statements are always open to a “new” Challenge; the Group Secretary will make a decision as to whether a Challenge is identical to one already dismissed and need not be processed again.


    C. Goal re Statements

    The goal is not "unanimity", though that would be nice. The goal is majority "general acceptance” of a Statement.

    Bob A (As Group Secretary for both groups)


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  • #2
    The Father's Day Manifesto : A Human Government Alternative Identified

    (Democratic Marxism - Elaborated by the DM Global Institute – A Recommended Platform)
    1. Ownership of the Means of Production
    a. Generally, Worker majority, at least.


    b. Worker Cooperatives will be favoured by tax incentives, over legal corporations.


    c. Abolition of Capital investing.

    2. Subsidiarity

    Most local societal civil unit (Likely cities/towns/etc.) have ALL power, following the Principle of Subsidiarity. This will be done by the higher political units downloading their authority.

    3. Democratic

    Only established through free elections; forcing populations into a Democratic Marxist Governance at the point of a gun is totally opposed by DM.

    4. Authentication

    Global local Democratic Marxist Parties are free to choose whatever platforms meet their needs. But local parties may seek an “Authentication” from the DM Global Institute that their policy in total, at least “generally”, complies with the DM Global Institute's model Democratic Marxist Platform. The DM Global Institute may suggest revisions as a condition of the granting of “Authentication”.

    5. Strategy

    Intermediate governments are the first to be targeted (E.g. States in USA; Provinces/Territories in Canada; etc.) The main platform of the DM Parties at this level will be three:

    a. to set up the identifiable Local Political Units (LPU);
    b. to download all the provincial powers possible to the LPU's;
    c. the intermediate structure will remaining only as a coordinator/facilitator, to carry out instructions at that level for LPU's who need to cooperate to achieve a goal, they cannot get on their own as a small power centre.

    6. Evolution

    This foundation platform for Democratic Marxism is an evolving document. Elaboration of new concepts & strategies, and corrections, will all be required to keep DM relevant. The DM Global Institute will be charged with this task. One of the methods for seeking evolution, is to manage a Facebook “Democratic Marxist Global Forum” (
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/2045711862207056/), open to all, where respectful and informative debate on all things political will assist the DMGI.

    Democratic Marxist Global Institute - Originating Document – 19/6/15


    Democratic Marxist Global Institute (DMGI)


    Author: Bob Armstrong, Coordinator / DM Vetting Committee Chairperson
    Most Recent Revision: Bob Armstrong – 20/12/2


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    • #3
      The Democratic Marxist (DM) Reading List

      Democratic Marxism Discussion Paper # 8

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      1. Writings of the Young Marx on Philosophy and Society – the Doubleday Anchor Book has a good overview in the Introduction by editors (And translators) Loyd D. Easton and Kurt H. Guddat.
      2. The New Democratic Theory – Kenneth Megill
      3. The Manifesto of the Communist Party – The Norton Critical Edition has a good executive summary of Marx as a preface to the original papers by editor Frederick L. Bender. - 1988
      4. Tearing Away the Veils: The Communist Manifesto - Marshall Berman - Dissent Magazine, May 6, 2011 (This essay is the introduction to the Penguin Classics Deluxe Edition of the Communist Manifesto, published March,2020. (http://ouleft.sp-mesolite.tilted.net/?p=860).
      5. Chile's Democratic Road to Socialism – Michael H. Fleet
      6. Adventures in Marxism - Marshall Berman – 1999.
      7. The Socialist Manifesto – Bhaskar Sunkara (There is a 288-page paperback edition) - 2019
      8. Hal Draper's "The Two Souls of Socialism." - Hal Draper - 1966
        [ https://www.connexions.org/CxLibrary...6-TwoSouls.htm ]- PDF Download: https://www.marxists.org/archive/draper/1966/twosouls/.
        9. Small is Beautiful – E.F. Shumacher - 1973
        10. Leisure: The Basis of Culture – Josef Pieper – 1948
        11. Strongmen – Ruth Ben-Ghiat - 2020
        12. Manifesto for an Independent Socialist Canada (1969 – popularly called the “Waffle” Manifesto) – Basic Document of the federal socialist party, Movement for an Independent Canada.
        13. Manifesto for a Socialist Canada (2001) – by the Socialist Caucus of the New Democratic Party of Canada.
        14. Socialism in Canada – Ivan Avakumovic - 1978
        15. Additional good readings: check the list created by the organization, Connexions: https://www.connexions.org/Marxism/index.htm).
      Note: There is specifically Canadian content on the list because the Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario (A Province within Canada) is the first party on the planet to seek formal 'endorsement' from the Democratic Marxist Global Institute (DMGI) for its electoral platform.



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      Original – 20/11/16; Most Recent Revision – 21/5/8; Reviser: Bob Armstrong

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      • #4
        Birrion Sondahl Fb Post (24/1/1)

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        Engels was fluent in 10 languages. Marx in four and could read several others. Most of the US barely reads English at a sixth grade level but somehow think they know Marxism is bad without reading a word Marx or Engels wrote.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post

          Most of the US barely reads English at a sixth grade level but somehow think they know Marxism is bad without reading a word Marx or Engels wrote.

          Bob A (DM)
          O learned Marxist... please do not denigrate others based on their language skills... it is not essential to know 10 languages to be wise! Growing up in India, I knew a lot of people, mainly women, who were illiterate, the majority of whom have been the amongst the nicest persons and the wisest persons I have ever met!! And by the way, I have read both Marx and Engels...turned out to be a total waste of time...

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          • #6
            The point of Post # 4 above was that those who most condemn Democratic Marxism have never read Marx or Engels.

            Dilip has read them; I congratulate him for getting to know his opposition.

            It is too bad that Dilip's judgment is so off.

            Bob A (DM)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
              The point of Post # 4 above was that those who most condemn Democratic Marxism have never read Marx or Engels.

              Dilip has read them; I congratulate him for getting to know his opposition.

              It is too bad that Dilip's judgment is so off.

              Bob A (DM)
              It is your judgement which is so badly broken that it is non-existent, Bob. Mine, on Marxism, is in keeping with that of the vast majority around the world, who are wise enough to understand that what Marx and Engels have written is a pile of junk. You are trying to project the Marxists as an elite, learned group capable of speaking multiple languages and boasting of having read the ramblings of Marx and Engels, while in reality, the voters for DM would simply consist of those who are incapable of looking after themselves and want the 'government' to rob/restrict someone else to give them stuff they would not deserve...
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              • #8
                Democratic Marxism
                (Started: 24/1/3)

                Weekly Overview

                Notes:
                1. The “Weekly Overview” of the topic is posted for the benefit of new members who may have come in between the “Weekly Overviews”. It provides an executive summary of the issue for new viewers.
                2. The Stats of participation are important to allow all to determine the extent of continuing interest. For thread originators/responders, they are important to see if the interest no longer warrants the labour. Or alternatively, they show that those of us discussing it are drawing in more participants, because they have begun to see the importance of our topic.

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                A. Statistics

                Week # 1 (24/1 /3 – 7 [5 days])

                (Sometimes Adjusted for no. of days)

                A. Weekly Stats:
                .....................................................2023 Average
                Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day
                Views/Day........Views/Day.............(1 wk.)

                …19........................n/a.......................19


                ................................................2023 Average

                Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day

                Responses/Day....Resp./Day.......(1 wk.).

                ........1.......................n/a........................1


                B. Analysis of Last Week's Stats

                Last week's stats are showing a slow rise from when the thread started. We will see if this continues as CT'ers become aware of the thread, and find the topic of the thread of interest.

                Goal of this Thread
                • To make clear what Democratic Marxism is, and what it is not (Old-style USSR Communism)
                • To provide materials that help CT'ers analyze the pluses and minuses of DM.
                Additional Notes:

                1. The goal of this thread is not to try to beat opposing views into oblivion. Political economy spans the spectrum. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide among the many competing political philosophies.

                2. I, Bob A, personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least twice per week, but admit my busy schedule means I may sometimes fall short on this. So it is necessary that a number of other CT'ers post responses here somewhat regularly as well.



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                    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
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                    "Cooperation", not legal theft nor brutal suppression of entrepreneurship, embodied in Marxism...
                    Don't keep on hoping readers will misinterpret what Darwin said, Mr. Armstrong...

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                    • #11
                      Democratic Marxism in History

                      Chile and the Dominican Republic


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                      Part I

                      A. Chile – The Most Successful Implementation of Democratic Marxism

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                      Engels & Marx

                      Marxism and Individual Liberty

                      Marxism does not equal no liberty and no democracy. See the statement of the Russian anarchist, Bakunin, below.

                      "Communism" as practised in the prior USSR, current day China, etc. basically does not trust the citizen.......it uses force to quell dissent, and force compliance......alleged democracy is a sham......never espoused by Marx, just his uninformed alleged followers.

                      Chile - A Shining Example

                      In our view, the closest to a nation implementing "Marxism" has been Chile, under Socialist President Salvadore Allende in the 70's. Wikipedia refers to him as a Marxist. We have spoken to Chileans there at the time, and they dispute that he was Communist/Marxist. They say he was Socialist. But he was very amenable to Marxism/Communism. And his was a coalition government with the Communist Party of Chile being a main partner. They always made demands that he go further left in his programs, to get their vote support. Allende was so comfortable with further left that he usually gave in and got their agreement and vote. Thus the blurring of the lines as to how far left Allende really was. And he was elected in a free and fair election. Allende was elected in 1970. Wikipedia notes:

                      "As a member of the SOCIALIST PARTY (emphasis added), he was a senator, deputy and cabinet minister. He unsuccessfully ran for the presidency in the 1952, 1958, and 1964 elections. In 1970, he won the presidency in a close three-way race. He was elected in a run-off by Congress as no candidate had gained a majority."

                      He was the President 'til 1973 - 3 successful years of implemented "almost Marxism". Wikipedia has this to say about the coalition government rule:

                      "As president, Allende adopted a policy of nationalization of industries and collectivization".

                      This seems to us pretty "almost Marxist", and democratically elected, and lasting three years....a successful example, though the overall effectiveness of his government as "almost Marxist" is always being analyzed.

                      Chile and the Chilean Army

                      When elected, Allende did not use the armed forces of the country as a tool of oppression of the people, as have almost all prior cases of alleged "national communism", such as USSR, China, etc. He left then General Augusto Pinochet as head of the armed forces, and did not interfere in their normal operation, since Chile had had 38 years by then of continuous democratic rule. In fact, the "alleged Communists" of the world, at the time, disagreed with Allende on this and ridiculed Allende for being so naive as to not realize that he had to take over the army, and use it to suppress his people and get compliance! What did he expect was going to happen?

                      End of the Almost Marxist Regime

                      The army, still under General Pinochet, felt that Chile was being hijacked (despite the earlier democratic vote), and the USA wanted him out, and were willing to assist Pinochet to do this. There was a violent coup by the army. Allende committed suicide after refusing to resign and giving his last Presidential speech. His suicide was a direct result of his being overthrown, and his Presidential palace being surrounded by armed troops who were going to arrest him, if not assassinate him.

                      Gen. Pinochet became President after Allende, after the successful coup.

                      The coup took place in 1973 (After 3 full years of successful Socialism/Marxism). Here is how Wikipedia describes this illegal and unconstitutional overthrow of a legitimate "Socialist/almost Marxist" coalition government:

                      "On 11 September 1973 the military moved to oust Allende in a coup d'état sponsored by the United States Central Intelligence Agency.[2][3][4] As troops surrounded La Moneda Palace, he gave his last speech vowing not to resign.[5] Later that day, Allende shot himself dead with an assault rifle[6] according to an 2011 investigation conducted by a Chilean court with the assistance of international experts.[7]"

                      Gen. Pinochet appointed himself head of the ruling Military Junta/ President after the successful coup. Here is the aftermath, according to Wikipedia:

                      "Following Allende's deposition, army General Augusto Pinochet declined to return authority to the civilian government; and Chile became ruled by a military junta that was in power from 1973 to 1990, ending almost 41 years of Chilean democratic rule. The military junta that took over dissolved the Congress of Chile and began a persecution of alleged dissidents, in which thousands of Allende's supporters were murdered."

                      Evaluation of an "Almost Marxist" Country Example

                      To our knowledge, there is no other example in history of a successful, democratically elected, "almost Marxist" government. Chile seems to us pretty "almost Marxist" and democratically elected, and lasted three years. Unlike the "alleged communist" countries of USSR, China, etc., Allende did not use the armed forces of the country as a tool of oppression of the people. Alleged Communist countries did, and still do, obtain subservience to their imposed government by this method, where elections are/were a sham. This is a total misinterpretation of Marxism, world-wide, if there ever was one... original Marxism has individual freedom and democracy at its core, when properly implemented. Allende's Chile is a beacon of non-use of force to establish an "almost Marxist" society, despite it having lasted just 3 years.

                      Part II below


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                      • #12
                        Democratic Marxism in History

                        Chile and the Dominican Republic

                        Part II (Part I above)

                        17/2/27 – DMGI Fb “Comment” re A Swedish Billionaire Will Award $5 Million For Reimagining Global Governance

                        “New Global Governance” cannot be dealt with separate from a “New Global Economic System”.

                        "Communism", as we've seen it practiced in history, has been a failure........a system must not have to abrogate the freedom of the citizens......they must be on board. The best system is Marxism, in my opinion. And the best example has been the socialist government of Salvadore Allende, in Chile (Though short-lived due to the army). It is often claimed, and even written that Allende was a communist. This is not true re partisan politics.....he was always, to my knowledge, part of the Socialist party (Though he clearly was quite amenable to Communism as practiced in Chile). Allende needed the Communists to govern, and reached an accord with them that gave them some power. They used it to bargain with him, to move government policies further left. It is said he had little trouble giving in, since he was likely more left than his party. Here we had a freely elected government, that I believe is the closest to successful implementation of Marxism (Not "facist-communism as we've seen it in the USSR, etc.)


                        Documentation of USA Covert Actions to Overthrow Democratically-Elected Allende

                        https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...UnttSLfhRA1nT2

                        B. Dominican Republic and Marxism

                        1963 - 7 month revolutionary government, freely elected after long Trujillo dictatorship

                        Wikipedia - Juan Emilio Bosch Gaviño (30 June 1909, La Vega – 1 November 2001, Santo Domingo) was a politician, historian, short story writer, essayist, educator, and the first democratically elected president of the Dominican Republic for a brief time in 1963. Previously, he had been the leader of the Dominican opposition in exile to the dictatorial regime of Rafael Trujillo for over 25 years. To this day he is remembered as an honest politician[1][2][3] and regarded as one of the most prominent writers in Dominican literature.[4][5][6] He founded both the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD) in 1939 and the Dominican Liberation Party (PLD) in 1973.


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                        • #13
                          By the way, our blindfolded devotee of Marxism cannot see reality:
                          Allende was 'appointed' by the Chilean Congress after none of the 3 candidates in the 1970 election got a majority; 36.6% had voted for Allende, but 63.4% had voted for somebody else.
                          Allende began his reign by forcibly snatching away land, property and businesses from their owners; these nationalized entities predictably became cesspools of inefficiency, and 'all play & no sweat' led to demand outstripping supply, government getting busy with printing money even while new investments dried up, and inflation reached 600% annually. By 1973, the economy and the government were paralyzed.
                          Our blindfolded devotee of Marxism wants us to celebrate this dismal chapter in history!!

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                          • #14
                            The USA and the Chilean business community did everything in their power to block Allende on everything. He continued as best he could, being undermined at every turn.

                            So the typical USA answer was a "coup d'etat"........and lo and behold, Augusto Pinochet takes power, Allende having committed suicide in the Presidential palace, surrounded by coup soldiers, because he knew he would be tortured on being captured.

                            Bob A

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                              The USA and the Chilean business community did everything in their power to block Allende on everything. He continued as best he could, being undermined at every turn.

                              So the typical USA answer was a "coup d'etat"........and lo and behold, Augusto Pinochet takes power, Allende having committed suicide in the Presidential palace, surrounded by coup soldiers, because he knew he would be tortured on being captured.

                              Bob A
                              Well Bob you omitted to mention that Allende was closely aligned with the USSR from the beginning and just maybe
                              the USA did not want another nuclear missile base in their
                              back yard like they had less then ten years prior.
                              if I were an entrepreneur in Chile and these assholes were trying to steal everything I worked for I would also be resisting.
                              They also stole huge copper mines owned by US companies.
                              Theft has consequences.
                              You said Allende was not “old style USSR communism” when in fact that is exactly what he was. So one asshole got substituted for another in Pinochet.
                              Take your “abolition of private property” concept and stick it
                              where the sun never shines!




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