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  • #16
    Re: Canada's best player

    Canada's most accomplished player is Kevin Spraggett. His peak rating of 2633 in 2007.01 ranked 80th in the world. Till someone passes the 80th rank in the world, Mr.Spraggett is our hero.

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    • #17
      Re: Canada's best player

      Comparisons: the 80th-ranked player now is rated 2668. A player with a 2633 rating today would be ranked about 150th.

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      • #18
        Re: Canada's best player

        Also Kevin was I believe 2585 in 1988 before his match with Yusupov. (top 20's somewhere in the world, maybe 28th - my memory is not that great when it comes to statistics) Anyways it will be a long time before we see another Canadian at that level (currently about FIDE 2730).

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        • #19
          Re: Canada's best player

          Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
          Also Kevin was I believe 2585 in 1988 before his match with Yusupov. (top 20's somewhere in the world, maybe 28th - my memory is not that great when it comes to statistics) Anyways it will be a long time before we see another Canadian at that level (currently about FIDE 2730).
          According to Kevin's bio at chessgames.com, Hans, Kevin was: "In July 1989, he was tied for players placed 25th or higher on the International Chess Federation rankings list."

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          • #20
            Re: Canada's best player

            From http://fidelists.blogspot.ca/2008/03...ting-list.html
            (the last number is probably the number of games played since the last list in January 1989).

            July 1989 - FIDE Rating List
            1 Kasparov, G. g URS 2775 16
            2 Karpov, An. g URS 2755 19
            3 Short, N. D. g ENG 2660 45
            4 Ivanchuk, V. g URS 2660 19
            5 Kortchnoi, V. g SUI 2655 37
            6 Salov, V. g URS 2645 22
            7 Gurevich, M. g URS 2640 40
            8 Andersson U. g SWE 2635 34
            9 Timman, J. H. g NED 2635 30
            10 Ljubojevic, Lj. g YUG 2635 26
            11 Beliavsky, A. G. g URS 2620 26
            12 Ehlvest, J. g URS 2620 19
            13 Speelman, J. S. g ENG 2615 30
            14 Dolmatov, S. g URS 2610 42
            15 Yusupov, A. g URS 2610 35
            16 Ribli, Z. g HUN 2605 50
            17 Huebner, R. g GER 2605 35
            18 Gulko, B. F. g USA 2605 24
            19 Agdestein S. g NOR 2605 0
            20 Nikolic, Pr. g YUG 2600 38
            21 Portisch, L. g HUN 2600 16
            22 Sokolov, A. g URS 2595 10
            23 Gelfand, B. m URS 2590 47
            24 Georgiev, Kir. g BUL 2590 24
            25 Vaganian, R. A. g URS 2585 29
            26 Dorfman, I. D. g URS 2585 26
            27 Seirawan, Y. g USA 2585 25
            28 Chandler, M. G. g ENG 2585 24
            29 De Firmian, N. E. g USA 2585 21
            30 Polugaevsky, L. g URS 2585 20
            31 Spraggett, K. g CAN 2585 18
            32 Tal, M. N. g URS 2585 1.

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            • #21
              Re: Canada's best player

              Originally posted by Andy Shaw View Post
              Canada's most accomplished player is Kevin Spraggett. His peak rating of 2633 in 2007.01 ranked 80th in the world. Till someone passes the 80th rank in the world, Mr.Spraggett is our hero.
              Sorry; not mine.
              ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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              • #22
                Re: Canada's best player

                Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
                Sorry; not mine.
                Hi Kerry:

                Good distinction between:

                Highest Rated Canadian Ever

                and

                Canadian Hero.

                Bob

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                • #23
                  Re: Canada's best player

                  Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                  Hi Kerry:

                  Good distinction between:

                  Highest Rated Canadian Ever

                  and

                  Canadian Hero.

                  Bob
                  Other than putting Canada on the chess map, and pretty much keeping it there over decades through his excellent play and length of his career as a top GM, I guess you want to know what he's done for us recently.

                  He should get the Order of Canada medal.
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                  • #24
                    Re: Canada's best player

                    "Best" is such a subjective term. IMHO, deciding who is "best" based solely on a single criteria, say ratings, is not adequate.
                    Perhaps the ability to play nicely with others should also be considered. :)

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                    • #25
                      Characteristics of a Winner of the Order of Canada Medal?

                      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                      Other than putting Canada on the chess map, and pretty much keeping it there over decades through his excellent play and length of his career as a top GM, I guess you want to know what he's done for us recently.

                      He should get the Order of Canada medal.
                      Hi Gary:

                      Been to Kevin's website, as he promotes it, Canada's most popular website?

                      Do you know what Canadian junior parents think of Kevin's website, and the women chess players in Canada?

                      A serious question - do you have any facts on this?

                      IF not, then do some research before you give Kevin the Order of Canada Medal. I bet there would be great consternation among those having to decide whether to award it to him, when you nominate him.

                      And he is the highest rated Canadian ever, and the only one to ever reach the World Championship quarter finals. For this, AS A CHESS PLAYER, I will tip my hat to him for his success IN HIS FIELD.

                      The Order of Canada requires more than just expertise in one's own field. The bearer's of it are to be role models for Canadians.

                      Bob A

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                      • #26
                        Re: Canada's best player

                        Certainly from a current FIDE ratings perspective GM Sambuev is correct.

                        It is more difficult when you attempt to assess "best". Does best mean FIDE rating alone in a point of time? Would a 2500 rating in 1980 have more value than 2600 in 2013? Who has had the greatest impact/influence on Canadian chess, or by a Canadian in international chess? Does the opinion of celebrated GMs such as Paul Keres have a bearing?

                        These are of course loaded questions.

                        My feeble attempt:

                        1) I agree with GM Sambuev with regard the indisputable FIDE rating evidence regarding GM Kovalyov
                        2) I suggest GM Hansen as the best in terms of relative trajectory/age/potential
                        3) I suggest GM Duncan Suttles as the best in terms of impact/influence on Canadian chess
                        4) I suggest GM Spraggett as the best in terms of impact/influence on Canadian chess internationally - e.g., who else can claim playing successfully in the Candidates?
                        5) I suggest GM Ivanov, IM Anderson and IM Nickoloff (among others, GM Paul Keres indicated Bryon as a world class talent) as the best talented players never to achieve their potential
                        6) I suggest GM Yanofsky as the best Canadian chess pioneer who led the way for all others
                        7) I suggest GM Bluvshtein as the most underrated Canadian GM - I can't tell you how many famous GMs came up to me indicating Mark's world class potential
                        8) GM Nava Starr as the best ambassador for Canadian chess

                        I apologize for any I missed....


                        Brian

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                        • #27
                          Re: Canada's best player

                          Originally posted by Jack Maguire View Post
                          According to Kevin's bio at chessgames.com, Hans, Kevin was: "In July 1989, he was tied for players placed 25th or higher on the International Chess Federation rankings list."
                          Kevin Spraggett, was the top fide rated Canadian until very recently. He has been the best Canadian for awhile. Although he no longer plays in Canada he was tied for first in the Canadian Closed Championship in 2002. He wasn't the top when he was the age of Kovalyov or Hansen - will they still be at the top when they reach his age? As top historical player was he better than Suttles, Yanofsky, Biyiasas, Lesiege, or Anderson? Can we enter all of their games into a computer which will then assess a rating strength for each?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Characteristics of a Winner of the Order of Canada Medal?

                            Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post

                            Been to Kevin's website, as he promotes it, Canada's most popular website?

                            Do you know what Canadian junior parents think of Kevin's website, and the women chess players in Canada?

                            A serious question - do you have any facts on this?
                            I visit Kevin's web site to read the articles.

                            Specifically what parents is it to which you refer so we can ask them here to tell us themselves. The site is like free chess lessons.
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                            • #29
                              Re: Characteristics of a Winner of the Order of Canada Medal?

                              "I visit Kevin's web site to read the articles" That's what some guys said about Playboy magazine too :) But seriously, there ARE good articles in Kevin's site (as there were in Playboy, although I haven't checked recently)

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                              • #30
                                A Chess-Learning Environment for Juniors - What does it look like?

                                Hi Gary:

                                I have one particular parent in mind who has spurred us on our Cooperative Chess Coalition (CCC) FB page, to develop and post our policy against pornography and against material that is clearly sexual in nature, even if tastefully done from an adult perspective, and about chess. The point is that ours is not an adult only site, but a Junior + Adult. Many chess parents do not want their younger children exposed to this material, during chess lessons (which we also give). But he does post here infrequently, and I am not going to centre him out. He can speak if he wants to get involved in the no-brainer discussion. As well, I have had adult chess players complain to me about the pornographic material on Kevin's site.

                                I also agree that his chess is very good, his articles well-researched and interesting, often with non-pornographic pictures. It's too bad he feels he needs pornography to keep being "Canada's most popular website", when juniors know how to find everything on the web these days.

                                It is the context of the chess that is not healthy in a mixed age environment - Kevin clearly doesn't get that, as don't many of his "fans".

                                Bob A

                                P.S. You may not be aware Gary, and maybe others aren't too, but the link to Kevin's site was in the Canadian Chess News at one time, early on. CFC soon made a decision to remove it from the e-newsletter for the very reason given above.
                                Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Friday, 10th January, 2014, 10:18 PM.

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