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Hey Bob, this initiative for election reform is great. A step forward for democracy.
The article you linked did a poor job of explaining the proposal, but here is a better explanation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC26DmBSwuo
Clearly better than the "first past the post" system we have now.
Gary - I think you got it wrong. If you want Rob Ford, and absolutely nobody else, then just vote for your first choice only. Your second choice is only counted if your candidate is eliminated by coming last. Same system used by political parties to pick their leaders, except than no need to keep returning to voters booth.
I never heard of this "plunking".
Too bad it won't be in place for 2014. If Rob Ford wins with say 25% of the vote because of hard core loonies in "Ford Nation", well that will be the biggest argument for election reform.
Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Wednesday, 26th February, 2014, 09:39 AM.
Too bad it won't be in place for 2014. If Rob Ford wins with say 25% of the vote because of hard core loonies in "Ford Nation", well that will be the biggest argument for election reform.
Well, he won with 47% of the vote. The people elected who they wanted. People have died for the right to elect their officials.
I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the undemocratic aspect of what is happening.
The city council has set up Kelly to be a puppet in the same way communist powers have done in other countries in Europe.
Well, he won with 47% of the vote. The people elected who they wanted. People have died for the right to elect their officials.
I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the undemocratic aspect of what is happening.
The city council has set up Kelly to be a puppet in the same way communist powers have done in other countries in Europe.
The latest Mainstreet Technologies poll, released Monday, Oct. 6 (respondents considered likely to vote; comparisons are to the Sept. 29 poll by Mainstreet) :
1. John Tory - 42% (rose five percentage points).
2. Doug Ford - 28% (down two percentage points)
3. Olivia Chow - 19% (dropped two percentage points)
John Tory
Seems like we've got a result........with voting stil 3 weeks away......doubt these numbers are going to change.
Anyone think the final vote day numbers are going to be different from the above?
Bob A
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Monday, 6th October, 2014, 09:27 AM.
The latest Mainstreet Technologies poll, released Monday, Oct. 6 (respondents considered likely to vote; comparisons are to the Sept. 29 poll by Mainstreet) :
1. John Tory - 42% (rose five percentage points).
2. Doug Ford - 28% (down two percentage points)
3. Olivia Chow - 19% (dropped two percentage points)
Seems like we've got a result........with voting stil 3 weeks away......doubt these numbers are going to change.
Anyone think the final vote day numbers are going to be different from the above?
Bob A
I'm surprised at the figures. I'd have thought Chow would have a solid 25% on which to build. Less than 20% is a major collapse of support.
In any case, in the last municipal election the turnout in this area was around 25%.
The latest Mainstreet Technologies poll, released Monday, Oct. 6 (respondents considered likely to vote; comparisons are to the Sept. 29 poll by Mainstreet) :
1. John Tory - 42% (rose five percentage points).
2. Doug Ford - 28% (down two percentage points)
3. Olivia Chow - 19% (dropped two percentage points)
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John Tory
Seems like we've got a result........with voting stil 3 weeks away......doubt these numbers are going to change.
Anyone think the final vote day numbers are going to be different from the above?
Bob A
From today's Toronto Star:
A Monday Forum Research poll puts John Tory and Doug Ford neck and neck in the mayoral race. These latest numbers suggest 39 per cent of voters want Tory for mayor while 37 per cent are supporting Ford. That means the two candidates are essentially tied — the poll had a sample size of 1,218 random voters, and a stated margin for error of 2.8 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
The race isn't over yet. Based on these numbers, Chow is unlikely to be Toronto's next mayor whereas we may be either referring to Mayor Ford or Mayor Tory.
A Monday Forum Research poll puts John Tory and Doug Ford neck and neck in the mayoral race. These latest numbers suggest 39 per cent of voters want Tory for mayor while 37 per cent are supporting Ford. That means the two candidates are essentially tied — the poll had a sample size of 1,218 random voters, and a stated margin for error of 2.8 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
The race isn't over yet. Based on these numbers, Chow is unlikely to be Toronto's next mayor whereas we may be either referring to Mayor Ford or Mayor Tory.
Geez.....my role as political analyst is in TATTERS!
A Monday Forum Research poll puts John Tory and Doug Ford neck and neck in the mayoral race. These latest numbers suggest 39 per cent of voters want Tory for mayor while 37 per cent are supporting Ford. That means the two candidates are essentially tied — the poll had a sample size of 1,218 random voters, and a stated margin for error of 2.8 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
The race isn't over yet. Based on these numbers, Chow is unlikely to be Toronto's next mayor whereas we may be either referring to Mayor Ford or Mayor Tory.
Geez.....my role as political analyst is in TATTERS!
Seems like the poll was taken after the fiasco on Sunday night. The crowd showed all the class of a lynch mob from what I was hearing on my TV. I don't recall the last time a politician was blamed for something his brother did.
The latest Mainstreet Technologies poll, released Monday, Oct. 6 (respondents considered likely to vote; comparisons are to the Sept. 29 poll by Mainstreet) :
You can take most polls with a grain of salt these days. They are often by firms associated with political parties and looking to shape public opinion rather than sample it. How accurate has the company's poll been in the past when predicting the results of an election? If they've never been very accurate why would you expect them to suddenly become accurate. The poll that counts is the the one the voters take part in at the time of the election.
Today the newspapers golden boy lost some of his shine. Do you still think he's a shoo in?
Well, it certainly seems we have not only a battle for mayor, but a battle of the pollsters re who can pick a mayor!
Steve Karpik posted above, a Monday Forum Research poll. Re the two front-running candidates:
John Tory - 39%.
Doug Ford - 37%
This differs dramatically from the two last Mainstreet Technologies polls (latest released Monday, Oct. 6 - respondents considered likely to vote; comparisons are to the Sept. 29 poll by Mainstreet) :
1. John Tory - 42% (rose five percentage points).
2. Doug Ford - 28% (down two percentage points)
So..........no...........no shoo-in....I'm humbled. I do feel the later polls likely tend to be more accurate. So.... looks like it is too close to call, though I still expect Douggie to implode before voting day (he, like his brother, has a habit of foot-in-mouth syndrome). The problem is that the Ford Nation seems to grow, the more Ford shows that he is out to lunch.
Bob A
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Wednesday, 8th October, 2014, 03:29 PM.
Personally, I'd never vote for someone who had been a director and on the audit committee of a public company which had filed Chapter 11. It was a huge bankruptcy.
That has to be a game changer. I didn't know that before today.
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