FIDE Election for President

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I've spoken to several long-time governors and read through several years of governor's letters, and AFAIK, the Governors have never voted on who we should vote for FIDE President. The records go back to 1997, so that's 17 years of precedence. If anyone can find records showing the Governors voting on such matters I will be the first to say I was mistaken.

If indeed you are going to become a Governor come this summer, then by all means put forward a motion to change the status quo. I'll even second it for you. However in all likelyhood, these motions would likely be tabled until after the NFP application is passed. Meanwhile I can report that I have not see a groundswell of Governors demanding changes to how the decision gets made.

We should have passed that NFP hurdle by then (crossing fingers). On the proposed motion we will worry about it when it is presented. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I've spoken to several long-time governors and read through several years of governor's letters, and AFAIK, the Governors have never voted on who we should vote for FIDE President. The records go back to 1997, so that's 17 years of precedence. If anyone can find records showing the Governors voting on such matters I will be the first to say I was mistaken.

If indeed you are going to become a Governor come this summer, then by all means put forward a motion to change the status quo. I'll even second it for you. However in all likelyhood, these motions would likely be tabled until after the NFP application is passed. Meanwhile I can report that I have not see a groundswell of Governors demanding changes to how the decision gets made.

Thank you for your post! There is no need to make any motions now, Governors had this power for all these years and it was their right to exersise it at any time, or agree to have a President or FIDE representative to vote on the FIDE's matters. What I'm against is that this Power is taken for granted by the present President, disregarding the objections of certain Governors. Furthermore, apparently he ignores the wishes of the majority of CFC Members spelled out in his own poll making a joke out of CFC by turning away a generous sponsor, not supporting a bid by someone whose name is a part of our civilization for centuries to come, and as he says he's doing it in the interests of Canadian chess! I understand that many people disagree with the present situation but keep quiet because there is no alternative. Is it correct?

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I gave my copy of the handbook, foundation sheets and that sort of thing to a collector. They used to sell it for $5.00 back around 1970. I don't recall exact dates. Probably Les knows as I recall he was at the meeting in Kingston where the CFC was changed to add a business manager and magazine and some other changes.

I think the CFC was incorporated around 1975 so that would be the starting point. A new legal entity was created at that point.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

Well done. Unfortunately, this forum software is quite crappy and the ignore list doesn't completely shield one from the quoting of trolls...
I suppose it is a worthwhile small step. Keep calm and carry on.

I have lived through this before against people who were more creative and difficult to contain.

[Garland Best]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I've spoken to several long-time governors and read through several years of governor's letters, and AFAIK, the Governors have never voted on who we should vote for FIDE President. The records go back to 1997, so that's 17 years of precedence. If anyone can find records showing the Governors voting on such matters I will be the first to say I was mistaken.

If indeed you are going to become a Governor come this summer, then by all means put forward a motion to change the status quo. I'll even second it for you. However in all likelyhood, these motions would likely be tabled until after the NFP application is passed. Meanwhile I can report that I have not see a groundswell of Governors demanding changes to how the decision gets made.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I have removed three people from my old ignore list and put three people on it. Sorry Starr, Biong and Bonham. You will have to ride the hamster wheel alone.

I gave my copy of the handbook, foundation sheets and that sort of thing to a collector. They used to sell it for $5.00 back around 1970. I don't recall exact dates. Probably Les knows as I recall he was at the meeting in Kingston where the CFC was changed to add a business manager and magazine and some other changes.

[Kerry Liles]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I have removed three people from my old ignore list and put three people on it. Sorry Starr, Biong and Bonham. You will have to ride the hamster wheel alone.

Not only do they want to engineer a coup but they want me to take them by the hand and show them how to do it.

Well done. Unfortunately, this forum software is quite crappy and the ignore list doesn't completely shield one from the quoting of trolls...
I suppose it is a worthwhile small step. Keep calm and carry on.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

You spend post after post BAITING someone and then have the audacity to play that card? You are some sort of stupid troll. If you become a CFC Governor by virtue of the GTHL meeting (as I *believe* was stated...) then I think it is time for me to forget about the CFC. You offer nothing constructive and want everyone to do YOUR homework for hypothetical scenarios and questions. Back under the bridge.

I have removed three people from my old ignore list and put three people on it. Sorry Starr, Biong and Bonham. You will have to ride the hamster wheel alone.

Not only do they want to engineer a coup but they want me to take them by the hand and show them how to do it.

[Kerry Liles]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

If you try to cheat! Are you accusing me of cheating??? YES or NO?

You spend post after post BAITING someone and then have the audacity to play that card? You are some sort of stupid troll. If you become a CFC Governor by virtue of the GTHL meeting (as I *believe* was stated...) then I think it is time for me to forget about the CFC. You offer nothing constructive and want everyone to do YOUR homework for hypothetical scenarios and questions. Back under the bridge.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

If you try to cheat! Are you accusing me of cheating??? YES or NO?

If the Kasparov supporters try to rewrite the CFC constitution between meetings, in my books that is cheating. You are not relevant to the discussion until you are confirmed as a governor or voting member at the AGM so by definition you are not even capable of cheating in this situation since you are largely irrelevent until June 28th. HTH.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I don`t agree. The governors delegated their power in writing the constitution of the CFC and creating the elected FIDE representative position.

If you try to cheat I will do my best to stop you.

If you try to cheat! Are you accusing me of cheating??? YES or NO?

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

Yes I do. Only upcoming Assembly of Governors could delerate its Power to anybody, so if the present Assembly has not delegated its Power (in writing, of course) to you or the directors your and/or directors' vote is illegal at the best. Agree?

I don`t agree. The governors delegated their power in writing the constitution of the CFC and creating the elected FIDE representative position.

If you try to cheat I will do my best to stop you.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

My best guess would be back when the CFC constitution was created or alternatively when the FIDE representative position was created. I wasn`t involved in chess politics back then so you will need to consult someone who was. You should also consult FIDE regulations and history if you really want to get to the root of this.

Your best guess... when the CFC constitution was created... or alternatively... there is nothing in writing... is anybody prepared to step forward to confirm that at some point (when?) there was a delegation of Power to the President or directors or anybody else for that matter and each incoming Assembly of Governors was doing it every year over and over again? In the absense of that all your due dilligence plus 75 cents will buy you a coup of coffee...

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

My best guess would be back when the CFC constitution was created or alternatively when the FIDE representative position was created. I wasn`t involved in chess politics back then so you will need to consult someone who was. You should also consult FIDE regulations and history if you really want to get to the root of this.

Yes I do. Only incoming Assembly of Governors could delerate its Power to anybody, so if the present Assembly has not delegated its Power (in writing, of course) to you or the directors your and/or directors' vote could be outright illegal. Agree?

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

When the Assembly of Governors did delegate its power to vote for the candidate for position of the FIDE's President either to you or the Board of Directors?

My best guess would be back when the CFC constitution was created or alternatively when the FIDE representative position was created. I wasn`t involved in chess politics back then so you will need to consult someone who was. You should also consult FIDE regulations and history if you really want to get to the root of this.