FIDE Election for President

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

The executive will vote based on their own individual due diligence to the question of which candidate will be best for the interests of Canada and its chessplayers and what is best for world chess. The delegate will vote in accord with the outcome of that vote of the executive. The delegate will also have one of seven votes.

You've admitted earlier that the old CFC's Handbook rules:
1. ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Chess Federation of Canada shall be governed by an Assembly of Governors (hereinafter called the Assembly) comprising of:
Those persons elected or appointed as Governors by a provincial or territorial association (hereinafter called a provincial association); and Governors at large.
7. POWERS OF THE ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Assembly shall have plenary powers to exercise in the name of the Federation all powers that the Federation has accorded to it by its Constitution and the Canada Corporations Act (Part II).
These are some of the matters reserved exclusively to the assembly of Governors:
the election or removal of a Director(s) or Officer(s), unless otherwise provided for in the by-laws,
the changing of the titles, duties and responsibilities of the directors and officers,
9. DELEGATION OF POWERS
The Assembly may delegate any of its powers to the Board of Directors, or to the President or other person or persons. Where a power is delegated to the Board of Directors the Board may in turn delegate such power to the President or other member of the Board of Directors and such delegation shall be deemed to have been made by the Assembly.
When the Assembly of Governors did delegate its power to vote for the candidate for position of the FIDE's President either to you or the Board of Directors?

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

You've admitted earlier that the old CFC's Handbook rules:
1. ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Chess Federation of Canada shall be governed by an Assembly of Governors (hereinafter called the Assembly) comprising of:
Those persons elected or appointed as Governors by a provincial or territorial association (hereinafter called a provincial association); and Governors at large.
7. POWERS OF THE ASSEMBLY OF GOVERNORS
The Assembly shall have plenary powers to exercise in the name of the Federation all powers that the Federation has accorded to it by its Constitution and the Canada Corporations Act (Part II).
These are some of the matters reserved exclusively to the assembly of Governors:
the election or removal of a Director(s) or Officer(s), unless otherwise provided for in the by-laws,
the changing of the titles, duties and responsibilities of the directors and officers,
9. DELEGATION OF POWERS
The Assembly may delegate any of its powers to the Board of Directors, or to the President or other person or persons. Where a power is delegated to the Board of Directors the Board may in turn delegate such power to the President or other member of the Board of Directors and such delegation shall be deemed to have been made by the Assembly.
When the Assembly of Governors did delegate its power to vote for the candidate for position of the FIDE's President either to you or the Board of Directors?

I think I have wasted enough time with you. Unless you have something new to contribute I will have to stop responding to you. I see exactly where you are going with this. I am dealing with the CFC that I inherited and not the one that I created. Will I cooperate with the games that you want to play to twist the CFC`s structure so that you can deliver a vote and endorsement to Gary in the full realization that playing those games could unravel the compromises that we engaged in to pass the new NFP compliant bylaws, articles and structure. No, not much. Do you need mine or the executive`s cooperation to play your game between meetings. Yes you do.

This whole NFP process was a big time sink that had to be done. It took a lot of the governors, the executive and my own time. It took time that I could have spent organizing tournaments and preparing the Windsor kids for tournaments. Unfortunately it was absolutely necessary if we wanted the CFC to even continue to exist. Our real problem here is not who is going to be the next FIDE president. Our real problem here is what we can do to improve the lot of chessplayers here in Canada and encourage more people to play chess. Pretty much everything else needs to be subservient to that.

If you want to see a CFC endorsement and vote for your candidate then feel free to discuss it. If you want to heap abuse on the executive and me for taking a strategic view of the CFC`s interests you will not further your cause. As far as I can tell you don`t have any sneaky maneuvers available to you without my cooperation or that of the executive. Of course I could be wrong on that and if I am I guess we will find out soon enough.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

When the Assembly of Governors did delegate its power to vote for the candidate for position of the FIDE's President either to you or the Board of Directors?

My best guess would be back when the CFC constitution was created or alternatively when the FIDE representative position was created. I wasn`t involved in chess politics back then so you will need to consult someone who was. You should also consult FIDE regulations and history if you really want to get to the root of this.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

My best guess would be back when the CFC constitution was created or alternatively when the FIDE representative position was created. I wasn`t involved in chess politics back then so you will need to consult someone who was. You should also consult FIDE regulations and history if you really want to get to the root of this.

Yes I do. Only incoming Assembly of Governors could delerate its Power to anybody, so if the present Assembly has not delegated its Power (in writing, of course) to you or the directors your and/or directors' vote could be outright illegal. Agree?

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

My best guess would be back when the CFC constitution was created or alternatively when the FIDE representative position was created. I wasn`t involved in chess politics back then so you will need to consult someone who was. You should also consult FIDE regulations and history if you really want to get to the root of this.

Your best guess... when the CFC constitution was created... or alternatively... there is nothing in writing... is anybody prepared to step forward to confirm that at some point (when?) there was a delegation of Power to the President or directors or anybody else for that matter and each incoming Assembly of Governors was doing it every year over and over again? In the absense of that all your due dilligence plus 75 cents will buy you a coup of coffee...

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

Yes I do. Only upcoming Assembly of Governors could delerate its Power to anybody, so if the present Assembly has not delegated its Power (in writing, of course) to you or the directors your and/or directors' vote is illegal at the best. Agree?

I don`t agree. The governors delegated their power in writing the constitution of the CFC and creating the elected FIDE representative position.

If you try to cheat I will do my best to stop you.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I don`t agree. The governors delegated their power in writing the constitution of the CFC and creating the elected FIDE representative position.

If you try to cheat I will do my best to stop you.

If you try to cheat! Are you accusing me of cheating??? YES or NO?

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

If you try to cheat! Are you accusing me of cheating??? YES or NO?

If the Kasparov supporters try to rewrite the CFC constitution between meetings, in my books that is cheating. You are not relevant to the discussion until you are confirmed as a governor or voting member at the AGM so by definition you are not even capable of cheating in this situation since you are largely irrelevent until June 28th. HTH.

[Kerry Liles]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

If you try to cheat! Are you accusing me of cheating??? YES or NO?

You spend post after post BAITING someone and then have the audacity to play that card? You are some sort of stupid troll. If you become a CFC Governor by virtue of the GTHL meeting (as I *believe* was stated...) then I think it is time for me to forget about the CFC. You offer nothing constructive and want everyone to do YOUR homework for hypothetical scenarios and questions. Back under the bridge.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

You spend post after post BAITING someone and then have the audacity to play that card? You are some sort of stupid troll. If you become a CFC Governor by virtue of the GTHL meeting (as I *believe* was stated...) then I think it is time for me to forget about the CFC. You offer nothing constructive and want everyone to do YOUR homework for hypothetical scenarios and questions. Back under the bridge.

I have removed three people from my old ignore list and put three people on it. Sorry Starr, Biong and Bonham. You will have to ride the hamster wheel alone.

Not only do they want to engineer a coup but they want me to take them by the hand and show them how to do it.

[Kerry Liles]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I have removed three people from my old ignore list and put three people on it. Sorry Starr, Biong and Bonham. You will have to ride the hamster wheel alone.

Not only do they want to engineer a coup but they want me to take them by the hand and show them how to do it.

Well done. Unfortunately, this forum software is quite crappy and the ignore list doesn't completely shield one from the quoting of trolls...
I suppose it is a worthwhile small step. Keep calm and carry on.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I have removed three people from my old ignore list and put three people on it. Sorry Starr, Biong and Bonham. You will have to ride the hamster wheel alone.

I gave my copy of the handbook, foundation sheets and that sort of thing to a collector. They used to sell it for $5.00 back around 1970. I don't recall exact dates. Probably Les knows as I recall he was at the meeting in Kingston where the CFC was changed to add a business manager and magazine and some other changes.

[Garland Best]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I've spoken to several long-time governors and read through several years of governor's letters, and AFAIK, the Governors have never voted on who we should vote for FIDE President. The records go back to 1997, so that's 17 years of precedence. If anyone can find records showing the Governors voting on such matters I will be the first to say I was mistaken.

If indeed you are going to become a Governor come this summer, then by all means put forward a motion to change the status quo. I'll even second it for you. However in all likelyhood, these motions would likely be tabled until after the NFP application is passed. Meanwhile I can report that I have not see a groundswell of Governors demanding changes to how the decision gets made.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

Well done. Unfortunately, this forum software is quite crappy and the ignore list doesn't completely shield one from the quoting of trolls...
I suppose it is a worthwhile small step. Keep calm and carry on.

I have lived through this before against people who were more creative and difficult to contain.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Who is scared of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov?

I gave my copy of the handbook, foundation sheets and that sort of thing to a collector. They used to sell it for $5.00 back around 1970. I don't recall exact dates. Probably Les knows as I recall he was at the meeting in Kingston where the CFC was changed to add a business manager and magazine and some other changes.

I think the CFC was incorporated around 1975 so that would be the starting point. A new legal entity was created at that point.