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    Go, Computers and Chess

    There is an article on the Wired site

    http://www.wired.com/2014/05/the-world-of-computer-go/

    that has this teaser:

    Computers match or surpass top humans in chess, Othello, Scrabble, backgammon, poker, even Jeopardy. But not Go.

    The article goes on to say:

    "Invented over 2500 years ago in China, Go is a pastime beloved by emperors and generals, intellectuals and child prodigies. Like chess, it’s a perfect information game — a game without built-in elements of chance, such as dice. And like chess, it’s a two-person war game. Play begins with an empty board, where players alternate the placement of black and white stones, attempting to surround territory while avoiding capture by the enemy. That may seem simpler than chess, but it’s not. When Deep Blue was busy beating Kasparov, the best Go programs couldn’t even challenge a decent amateur. And despite huge computing advances in the years since — Kasparov would probably lose to your home computer — the automation of expert-level Go remains one of AI’s greatest unsolved riddles."

    It is reassuring to know that once all the mysteries of chess are solved, we can migrate to Go!

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    Re: Go, Computers and Chess

    Anyone interested in Go lessons? It's on my menu of games I teach - I'm a low level master of the game (sho dan). We have two Go sets at the Toronto Coffee & Tea House - if you have an opponent, you could come and play there any day of the week.

    Edit>>>> Now at the TIME CAPSULE CAFE 2183 Danforth at Woodbine however, lessons can be at any place convenient to the student (preferably on the subway line).
    Last edited by Vlad Dobrich; Thursday, 17th March, 2016, 11:34 AM.

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      The DeepMind computer program can now beat humans at Go. ):

      http://www.thestar.com/news/world/20...ans-at-go.html

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        Why is this making the news now and not when it happened?October 2015

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          Mario - do you think AlphaGo can beat the World Champ?

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            Originally posted by Hal Bond View Post
            Mario - do you think AlphaGo can beat the World Champ?
            We'll find out in March when Lee Sedol (the best player in the last 10 years) will play a match against AlphaGo

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-dKXOlsf98

            http://www.nature.com/news/go-player...defeat-1.19255
            Last edited by Rene Preotu; Thursday, 28th January, 2016, 12:43 AM.

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              Re: Go, Computers and Chess

              My bet would be on AlphaGo.

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                Cool! I wonder such a match will lead to the same computer impact on Go that we have experienced with chess.

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                  If I read it right, Wiki says that Fan Hui, the player who lost 5-0, is a 2 Dan professional or low 2700's. Lee Sedol, the World Champ, is a 9 Dan professional or about 2940. Alpha Go will almost certainly be a better player in March than it is right now. It looks like a great matchup. I think I agree with Mario. Even if Sedol can win this time I doubt he will in another year.

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                    hello Hal et al, could someone recommend a good little web intro to Go? My eldest son tried to explain it to me, and at the time anyway, I couldn't "get it". I'm looking for a total beginner's intro. If it makes any difference on your recommendation, I'm a mediocre chess and poker player (at slow speeds - at blitz/turbo speeds, I'm bad LOL ;)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Go, Computers and Chess

                      Try Wiki >>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)

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                        Re: Go, Computers and Chess

                        Some additional links:

                        Sources: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture16961.html

                        Games can be downloaded at http://www.usgo.org/news/2016/01/alp...or-ai-advance/

                        Videos available on DeepMind site:
                        http://deepmind.com/alpha-go.html
                        ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                          Thanks! I actually have a 9x9 beginner's board received as a gift. Would that be a good start, or are there even smaller beginner boards? Thanks again for any insights.

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                            Originally posted by Aris Marghetis View Post
                            Thanks! I actually have a 9x9 beginner's board received as a gift. Would that be a good start, or are there even smaller beginner boards? Thanks again for any insights.
                            9x9 is actually a popular format and far less imposing than the full 19x19 board.

                            Don't know if you have an Android phone or tablet, but here is an app for that:

                            https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...factory.gofree

                            (of course there might be similar app on iPhone - no idea there).
                            ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                              Re: Go, Computers and Chess

                              Originally posted by Aris Marghetis View Post
                              Thanks! I actually have a 9x9 beginner's board received as a gift. Would that be a good start, or are there even smaller beginner boards? Thanks again for any insights.
                              Yeah sure ! You can play on A 3 x 3 board. It's called TIC TAC TOE. :D
                              Last edited by Vlad Dobrich; Thursday, 28th January, 2016, 01:15 PM.

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