FIDE Presidential Elections

[Gary Ruben]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

I don't see any post by you on the CFC message board.

Maybe he would give a link to his question. Then again, maybe he won't.

[Nigel Hanrahan]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Not everyone has my tolerance for abuse.

True. Thankless tasks are like that.

[Kerry Liles]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Sasha,

My link and your link LOOK exactly the same, but there is a big difference between what the link
looks like on the screen and the location it goes to.

I suggest you try the link in your (original) post and then try the link in my post. (Or you can
hover the mouse pointer over the link and notice at the bottom of your browser the location
where the link will take you...)

When ChessTalk displays a link, it almost always will be shortened to include "..." in the middle.
Quoting that literally is what results in links that do not work.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Why would they answer here? If you want such a reply why don't you ask on the CFC message board?

Not everyone has my tolerance for abuse.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Thank you, I did with the same result.

I don't see any post by you on the CFC message board.

I see it now in the CFC news which is not really the proper place for it.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Re : Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Hi Felix:

Well said.

I took the original CFC Handbook interpretation, that the FIDE Presidential vote was to be cast by the CFC Governors (as called at the time before Continuance), not the Executive.

Given that the history of the decision was given over to the executive or the FIDE rep I did not share this view. This exact debate happened four years ago and the governors decided to maintain the status quo and have the executive make the decision. As the law stands now the first opportunity to revisit this would be five years after the last time this was debated so next year.

The majority of Governors never supported my position (they voted by their silence in the debate). I also had decided that it should be cast by the outgoing Governors, since I wanted CFC to endorse a candidate, so they could use the CFC endorsement in their campaign.

However, the Executive straw vote of the Governors did show a majority for Ilyumzhinov. So even if my position had prevailed, the decision would have been the one made (I am a Kasparov supporter).

So I agree - water under the bridge now. If there is any illegality here, the practical on the ground decision seems to trump that in my view (given the impossibility, in my view, of setting aside any "illegal" decision before the FIDE Presidential vote in August).

Time to publicly disagree with the Executive/Governor majority decision, and then move on.

Bob A

There is nothing illegal about the decision. The Incoming voting members will not be seated in time to render a decision that is relevant. In any case the NFP act shifted the responsibility and the balance of power for non-profit corporations. This is a reality. The voting members still have a say but the idea of being able to micromanage every decision no matter how trivial is no longer on the table if it ever really was.

P.S. I do note that the actual Executive decision was made "after" Continuance. So the new Constitutional documents, as I understand it, put the CFC Handbook into limbo - no legal status at the moment? Waiting re-adoption into the new regime? If so, then this raises therefore, the additional issue of whether my legal interpretation still stands under the new Constitutional documents, now in effect.

The handbook does not have legal status except as a repository of our past procedures and rules. Some parts of it are no longer needed as they are superseded by the provisions of the NFP act along with our new articles and bylaws. We will have to go through the handbook carefully over the next few years and adopt the things that we want to keep and discard the things that are no longer necessary. I took over the NFP compliance process because the alternative was for the CFC to cease to exist as a non-profit corporations and having all of our assets disappear into the coffers of government and charities. Despite repeated pleas for members of the governors to join the process, the only governor that volunteered and helped me with this was Frank Lee our youth coordinator. The only non-governor that helped was Pierre Denomme. I can't blame the members of the original NFP committee as they put as much effort into the failed attempt at transition as I did on the ultimately successful process. I thank them for lighting the way that I had to proceed. That is water under the bridge but I don't have the time or energy to take as active a role in this transition period on a clause by clause exploration of the handbook. I need to spend some time working on the things that were neglected while I was concerned with survival of the CFC.

We have already had a few issues with proposed surprise last minute additions to the agenda of the upcoming AGM after the notification period has passed. We can no longer do this and comply with the law as outlined in the NFP act. You will have to plan ahead from now on when you want to introduce a motion. There is a feeling by some that the rules don't apply to them. They do. So far I have simply used the power of the directors to set the agenda and have added member proposals to the agenda as I would any such proposal from the directors. I cannot add items which fall after the notification period has passed. I will not add items that are not compliant with the laws under the NFP act.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Why would they answer here? If you want such a reply why don't you ask on the CFC message board?

Thank you, I did with the same result.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Look, the problem is that no executive came forward so far to confirm his vote for KI's endorsement by CFC and the reasons behind it.

Why would they answer here? If you want such a reply why don't you ask on the CFC message board?

[Sasha Starr]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Sasha,

According to Bob Armstrong:

"However, the Executive straw vote of the Governors did show a majority for Ilyumzhinov. So even if my position had prevailed, the decision would have been the one made (I am a Kasparov supporter)."

I don't have a strong opinion about either candidate, however, I do not see how you can be asking the CFC president to reverse their decision when it is supported by the governors. In any democratic process there is a winner and there is a loser (or losers). In this case, the supporters of Kasparov fall into the latter.

PS -- If truth be told, I too fall into the camp of losers on this issue but that's just the way it goes.

Look, the problem is that no executive came forward so far to confirm his vote for KI's endorsement by CFC and the reasons behind it. In a vew that all civilized World England including is supporting Gary Kasparov, the World Champion Magnus Carlson is supporting Gary, I'd like to know what is it that our executives now that neither England nor World Champion don't. And how the interests of Canadian Chess are being served best by ENDORSING KI? Maybe you have the answers?

[Steve Karpik]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Sasha,

According to Bob Armstrong:

"However, the Executive straw vote of the Governors did show a majority for Ilyumzhinov. So even if my position had prevailed, the decision would have been the one made (I am a Kasparov supporter)."

I don't have a strong opinion about either candidate, however, I do not see how you can be asking the CFC president to reverse their decision when it is supported by the governors. In any democratic process there is a winner and there is a loser (or losers). In this case, the supporters of Kasparov fall into the latter.

PS -- If truth be told, I too fall into the camp of losers on this issue but that's just the way it goes.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

The complete link is:

http://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-co...-statement.pdf

(not sure if this works in other posts with similar content;
quoting other posts that contain links is tricky on ChessTalk
because what gets quoted often ends up being an invalid link)

Thank you, Kerry, but your link is exactly the same as mine! Am I missing something?
I can see the reasoning behind the English Chess Federation. There is non from Canadian Executives. There was a public opinion here heavily in Kasparov's favor, split of opinion among the Governors, or so we told, and ENDORSEMENT made by the Executives! And nobody is coming forward to confirm the so called endorsement of KI and explanation of their reas'on for this. As I uhderstand they don't need a public embarrassment. Mr. President, please strike down this ridiculous endorsement!

[Kerry Liles]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

This is an evidence of Kasparov's support by the English Chess Federation and why: http://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-co...-statement.pdf
I'm asking one more time: those executives who voted for Ilumzhinov's endorsement by CFC please come forward and explain how this decision benefits Canadian Chess.

The complete link is:

http://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-co...-statement.pdf

(not sure if this works in other posts with similar content;
quoting other posts that contain links is tricky on ChessTalk
because what gets quoted often ends up being an invalid link)

[Sasha Starr]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Sasha, you are the best thing that ever happened to Kirsan. Your bullying tactics do a grave disservice to Garry Kasparov.

Gordon, disagree with you, Gary Kasparov's name is already engraved in the history of civilization regardless of what you or me saying here!

[Gordon Ritchie]

Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

This is an evidence of Kasparov's support by the English Chess Federation and why: http://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-co...-statement.pdf
I'm asking one more time: those executives who voted for Ilumzhinov's endorsement by CFC please come forward and explain how this decision benefits Canadian Chess.

Sasha, you are the best thing that ever happened to Kirsan. Your bullying tactics do a grave disservice to Garry Kasparov.

[Sasha Starr]

Re: Re : Re: FIDE Presidential Elections

Hi Felix:

Well said.

I took the original CFC Handbook interpretation, that the FIDE Presidential vote was to be cast by the CFC Governors (as called at the time before Continuance), not the Executive. The majority of Governors never supported my position (they voted by their silence in the debate). I also had decided that it should be cast by the outgoing Governors, since I wanted CFC to endorse a candidate, so they could use the CFC endorsement in their campaign.

However, the Executive straw vote of the Governors did show a majority for Ilyumzhinov. So even if my position had prevailed, the decision would have been the one made (I am a Kasparov supporter).

So I agree - water under the bridge now. If there is any illegality here, the practical on the ground decision seems to trump that in my view (given the impossibility, in my view, of setting aside any "illegal" decision before the FIDE Presidential vote in August).

Time to publicly disagree with the Executive/Governor majority decision, and then move on.

Bob A

P.S. I do note that the actual Executive decision was made "after" Continuance. So the new Constitutional documents, as I understand it, put the CFC Handbook into limbo - no legal status at the moment? Waiting re-adoption into the new regime? If so, then this raises therefore, the additional issue of whether my legal interpretation still stands under the new Constitutional documents, now in effect.

I'm wondering if Executives of CFC are being victimized by this: http://fidexfiles.blogspot.gr/2014/0...orks-like.html