My .02 on Rating Pools and Stale Dates

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  • #16
    Re: all hail the ELO system.

    Originally posted by Mathieu Cloutier View Post
    I actually think it's interesting to have different tournament formats. We have both at the Montreal chess club: round-robins with 6 players grouped by rating all year, and an open tournament at the end of the year.
    Different formats is the way to go. Some people like this, some like that, and you want to attract all sorts of chess players or players who prefer different formats. Winnipeg had a long history of TNTs (Tuesday Night events), some weekend Swisses, and, when I started playing competitive chess, even some sectionals. And the club was open on Wednesdays so you could be harangued by Albert Boxer who twirled captured chess pieces like little chocolates. Those were the days.
    Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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    • #17
      long live Arpad Elo and those that love him!

      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
      You don't need ratings to determine strength. Whoever leaves with the most prize money or the trophy is the best player that day.
      If you only cared about the "rating" of the overall winner, then this would make sense. How to evaluate the strength of a player who never wins an event is important, and not only to that player.


      That part I wrote was about comments was a joke. I notice you've been on the defense recently for using the term idi.. Aw, shucks. ;)
      Yea, mine was a joke too. Cheers.
      Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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      • #18
        Re: all hail the ELO system.

        Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
        Winnipeg had a long history of TNTs (Tuesday Night events), some weekend Swisses, and, when I started playing competitive chess, even some sectionals. And the club was open on Wednesdays so you could be harangued by Albert Boxer who twirled captured chess pieces like little chocolates. Those were the days.
        I'm surprised when Albert won a piece he didn't tell you that you didn't need the piece.
        Gary Ruben
        CC - IA and SIM

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        • #19
          Albert Boxer or Der Alter Goniff

          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
          I'm surprised when Albert won a piece he didn't tell you that you didn't need the piece.
          What I did not say was that Albert wasn't beyond a cheap swindle in the style of der alter goniff ("the old swindler" in Yiddish) by grabbing an opponent's pawns (or pieces, if you were really inattentive!) and jumbling up his booty with the pieces he was already playing with.

          Incidently, I wrote a column in my blog about Albert and the tournament named after him, with a few photos, and an award I thought should be established. heh. See over here ...

          The Albert Boxer Tournament and Der Alter Goniff
          Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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          • #20
            Re: Albert Boxer or Der Alter Goniff

            Albert was an old friend although older than me.

            He served in the RCAF during WWII. That means he voluntarily enlisted. Conscripts went to the army.

            When I left Winnipeg the chess club was 7 days a week.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • #21
              Re: Albert Boxer or Der Alter Goniff

              By the way, Nigel, did you ever hear who paid the rent, etc. for the club In the years I went they never charged me membership. I don't even think I knew the membership fee. I don't know which year you were a member.

              I remember one year we went for the Minneapolis - Winnipeg annual match. We came back with new chess sets for the club. The adults used to drive us juniors. It made for a nice weekend.

              There must have been around 25 juniors back then.

              I met Howard Ridout in Winnipeg. When he was playing in Toronto he was older. Most people don't realize what a fine chess player Howard was when he was younger..
              Gary Ruben
              CC - IA and SIM

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              • #22
                Re: Albert Boxer or Der Alter Goniff

                Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                ...
                I met Howard Ridout in Winnipeg. When he was playing in Toronto he was older.
                Most people don't realize what a fine chess player Howard was when he was younger..
                lol - I remember Howard being a rather tricky player even in his later years at the Scarborough CC at Macey Hall...

                I was astonished to see a bizarre line attributed to him in one of the MCO versions. I cannot recall what opening
                it was - I may have marked it in my old copy and might find it if I start digging.
                ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                • #23
                  Re: My .02 on Rating Pools and Stale Dates

                  Hi Paul:

                  The crosstable I was thinking of is here:

                  http://www.chess.ca/crosstable?tourn...115&key=140711

                  If you take a look at the history of the player who finished second, you'll see what I mean. I'm not going to mention his name because this has nothing to do with the player. You'll see that his rating progression while playing at the club while rapid, still has his rating well below his actual playing strength at the time (which I would estimate at being around 1700).

                  The win over the 2100-rated player, while being provisionally rate 981 is glaring as being absurd, but not so absurd if the player is 1700 strength (every dog has its day--you'll see in one of the later crosstables for this player that I managed to beat the highest-rated player in the club, and lose to the lowest-rated player).

                  Steve

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                  • #24
                    Re: Albert Boxer or Der Alter Goniff

                    Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
                    I was astonished to see a bizarre line attributed to him in one of the MCO versions. I cannot recall what opening
                    it was - I may have marked it in my old copy and might find it if I start digging.
                    I met Howard in a coffee house. I didn't know who he was. He knew a lot of off beat lines. Myself and another guy used to play for nickles and dimes. Howard played the regular openings against us. To our surprise, at one of the big events, maybe the Manitoba Open but I don't recall for sure, Howard showed up. As I recall he finished third or maybe it was fourth. Can't recall if either Yanofsky played.

                    He played Abe back in the 1951 Canadian Championship (closed) and lost. Anderson won that and Yanofsky lost to Anderson who won the event.

                    Chess theory and the openings have evolved a lot since then.


                    [Event "Canada ch"]
                    [Site "?"]
                    [Date "1951.??.??"]
                    [Round "11"]
                    [White "Yanofsky, Daniel "Abe""]
                    [Black "Ridout, H."]
                    [Result "1-0"]
                    [ECO ""]
                    [PlyCount "59"]
                    [EventDate "1951.??.??"]

                    1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 a6 4. a4 Nc6 5. h3 e5 6. Nf3 h6 7. Be2 g5 8. Be3 g4
                    9. hxg4 Nxg4 10. Bg5 Be7 11. Bxe7 Qxe7 12. Nd5 Qd8 13. Qd2 f5 14. exf5 Bxf5 15.
                    Nh4 Qc8 16. Nxc7 Qxc7 17. Nxf5 Nxf2 18. Bh5 Kd7 19. Qxf2 Raf8 20. Bg4 h5 21.
                    Bh3 Qa5 22. Qd2 Qxd2 23. Kxd2 Kc7 24. dxe5 Nxe5 25. b3 Rh7 26. Rhf1 Rhf7 27.
                    Ne3 Ng4 28. Rxf7 Rxf7 29. Bxg4 hxg4 30. Nxg4 1-0
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                    • #25
                      Cornish Library location for Winnipeg Chess Club

                      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                      By the way, Nigel, did you ever hear who paid the rent, etc. for the club In the years I went they never charged me membership. I don't even think I knew the membership fee. I don't know which year you were a member.
                      I started playing competitive chess in Winnipeg in 1992. By then the Winnipeg Chess Club (WCC) was located at the Cornish Library. Former Mayor of West Kildonan and City Councillor "Abe" Yanofsky had arranged, I think, for the WCC to make use of the basement of the Cornish library for a nominal fee of $1/year. Very nice, thank you very much, Abe. It was a good arrangement except when a larger event dictated the necessity of a larger venue. The Canadian Opens since then were all played at the Convention Centre, for example. I recall some events at Eaton Place, e.g.

                      What is noteworthy is that when Abe passed away in 2000, thus bringing an end to a important chapter in Canadian chess history, the City of Winnipeg in its wisdom decided that the arrangement no longer was valid and, without much ado, (and plenty of pretexts, I might add. By this time, chess players that smoked had distinguished themselves as vulgar and disrespectful oafs by their conduct around the library. None of them thought to set up an ashtray to keep the front of the library neat, etc., etc.) ended the arrangement at the Cornish library.

                      I must admit at the time I thought this was a disaster. Other members of the current WCC/MCA bodies can speak for themselves, but I think now with hindsight, it wasn't such a bad thing. The new location, AFAIK, at the University of Winnipeg, is more central and has their own security.

                      I remember one year we went for the Minneapolis - Winnipeg annual match. We came back with new chess sets for the club. The adults used to drive us juniors. It made for a nice weekend.
                      I played in 1996 on behalf of Manitoba in that event that the late Dave Langner won. There is a write-up in a back issue of Exclam! (by me) in which much of the adventure is described. At one time, this was supposed to be the longest continuous international chess event in North America, or something like that.
                      Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Cornish Library location for Winnipeg Chess Club

                        Minneapolis had a pretty good expert, Kurt Brasket, who used to play board 1 against Abe. I don't think Abe ever defeated him but there were a lot of draws.
                        Gary Ruben
                        CC - IA and SIM

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