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I just have a few questions about all the recent drama going on in chesstalk that I can't find answers to:
1.How and where do you go to vote for the CFC president either Vlad or Sasha or is that not for normal CFC members?
2. What does the endorsement of Kirsan really mean? Is that CFC's official vote for him making him closer to becoming the president again?
3. (depending on the answer to my 2nd question): Do regular CFC members have any say on how the CFC should vote on the FIDE elections (like a vote ourselves) or is that only a governor responsibility (if so could this be changed in the future as I don't think the endorsement for Kirsan is what the chess players of Canada would have supported).
1. There are two classes of CFC membership at this moment:
Class A members with similar features as former Governors
Class B members are typical CFC members.
Only Class A members can voting for the CFC president.
2. It means that the CFC declared publicly that the delegated person will vote for Kirsan. You can guess why it was done reading some other threads.
3. The old CFC constitution stated: 1) the members have no say to the CFC only to their provincial associations; 2) that Governors were independent people even if they are elected/selected by provinces. Now I need to figure out my self as it is not enough to know the CFC constitution (by*laws) but the whole federal Non-for-profit act.
3. The old CFC constitution stated: 1) the members have no say to the CFC only to their provincial associations; 2) that Governors were independent people even if they are elected/selected by provinces. Now I need to figure out my self as it is not enough to know the CFC constitution (by*laws) but the whole federal Non-for-profit act.
AFAIK, the old CFC Constitution is no longer valid. Using it as a guide to future decision-making would be a waste of time, no?
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
1. There are two classes of CFC membership at this moment:
Class A members with similar features as former Governors
Class B members are typical CFC members.
Only Class A members can voting for the CFC president.
2. It means that the CFC declared publicly that the delegated person will vote for Kirsan. You can guess why it was done reading some other threads.
3. The old CFC constitution stated: 1) the members have no say to the CFC only to their provincial associations; 2) that Governors were independent people even if they are elected/selected by provinces. Now I need to figure out my self as it is not enough to know the CFC constitution (by*laws) but the whole federal Non-for-profit act.
What do you like to change?
I have been mostly happy with how the CFC has been of late, I am just morally against supporting Kirsan so I was wondering if members could voice their opposition to the decision or not (In a more sophisticated way than what has been going on in chesstalk recently).
AFAIK, the old CFC Constitution is no longer valid. Using it as a guide to future decision-making would be a waste of time, no?
No. There are some articles what shall transfer into a new form. Did you read the motion (discussion) about Class A members on the CFC board? It is taking something from old.
The new constitution in many places has something like "as defined in articles blahblah"
I have been mostly happy with how the CFC has been of late, I am just morally against supporting Kirsan so I was wondering if members could voice their opposition to the decision or not (In a more sophisticated way than what has been going on in chesstalk recently).
You may publicly say your opinion what you think and come next time in your provincial (league) elections and vote or become a Class A member :)
I have been mostly happy with how the CFC has been of late, I am just morally against supporting Kirsan so I was wondering if members could voice their opposition to the decision or not (In a more sophisticated way than what has been going on in chesstalk recently).
Hi Adam:
Every member has a number of provincial CFC A Class (Voting Members), except Ontario. There the CFC members only elect the Class A Members for their league's region.
When I was a Voting Member, I was often contacted by my "constituents". They felt using me inside to get what they wanted was the most direct route. I enjoyed doing this for ordinary CFC members, and usually got them an answer (not one they always wanted to hear, but at least they knew). Some of my constituents may have something to say on this.
I'm not really sure if this happened much across the country. Seemed that most CFC members felt complaining on CMA's Chesstalk was the most effective....generally I don't think so..the points often got lost in the subsequent heat and light, and the thread hi-jackings. Often issues remained unanswered because, for some reason, many (most?) CFC Voting Members do not attend this board regularly.
I think the Elected/elector relationship is totally under-used by CFC Class B (Non-Voting Members). A Class B member has access usually to a number of Voting members representing him...he can go to all of them! It is, however, a lot easier to just post something here on the fly, than get into a dialogue with one of your Class A Members on contentious issues. Maybe that is why the relationship is under-used (though there are some dead-wood Class A members, and I'm not sure how responsive they are to Class B members who contact them....probably discourages one from trying further).
Every member has a number of provincial CFC A Class (Voting Members), except Ontario. There the CFC members only elect the Class A Members for their league's region.
When I was a Voting Member, I was often contacted by my "constituents". They felt using me inside to get what they wanted was the most direct route. I enjoyed doing this for ordinary CFC members, and usually got them an answer (not one they always wanted to hear, but at least they knew). Some of my constituents may have something to say on this.
I'm not really sure if this happened much across the country. Seemed that most CFC members felt complaining on CMA's Chesstalk was the most effective....generally I don't think so..the points often got lost in the subsequent heat and light, and the thread hi-jackings. Often issues remained unanswered because, for some reason, many (most?) CFC Voting Members do not attend this board regularly.
I think the Elected/elector relationship is totally under-used by CFC Class B (Non-Voting Members). A Class B member has access usually to a number of Voting members representing him...he can go to all of them! It is, however, a lot easier to just post something here on the fly, than get into a dialogue with one of your Class A Members on contentious issues. Maybe that is why the relationship is under-used (though there are some dead-wood Class A members, and I'm not sure how responsive they are to Class B members who contact them....probably discourages one from trying further).
Bob A (Class B Member)
Yeah it's unfortunate that so many only voice their complaints on chesstalk instead of being more productive and getting involved. Is there a list of Class A members divided by province and with contact information available so that Class B players are able to know who their representatives are and can contact them to discuss issues with them?
Yeah it's unfortunate that so many only voice their complaints on chesstalk instead of being more productive and getting involved. Is there a list of Class A members divided by province and with contact information available so that Class B players are able to know who their representatives are and can contact them to discuss issues with them?
Hi Adam:
CFC Website - All Governors Listed - Ones that are provincial Voting Members are identified by province. E-mail address available by clicking on the name.
Becoming a Class A Voting Member - must attend your relevant Provincial / Ontario League AGM. You can nominate yourself to stand for one of the positions (I think GTCL has 9). Every CFC Non-Voting Member attending has a vote....if more candidates than positions, then there is voting and the top ones are elected.
Bob A (GTCL Director-at-Large)
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Wednesday, 9th July, 2014, 12:42 PM.
AFAIK, the old CFC Constitution is no longer valid. Using it as a guide to future decision-making would be a waste of time, no?
That is correct. Having continued under the new NFP act (the alternative being to cease to exist on October 17th) we are now governed under the NFP act.
You have to be a current member Class B member. In the GTCL you would have to show up for the annual meeting and indicate your interest. I am told that some people were not even aware that they were nominated.
Having missed the GTCL meeting the quickest way to become a class A voting member would be to stand for one of the open volunteer officer positions. Of course that would imply that you are willing to do the work involved. If you want "power" at the CFC all you have to do is volunteer and you will get all the power that you can handle.
Some of the available positions that are not yet filled:
and there are probably a few others. Nominations are closed for the meeting but if you are serious in your interest send an email and you will be voting and posting at the next meeting of the voting members.
You have to be a current member Class B member. In the GTCL you would have to show up for the annual meeting and indicate your interest. I am told that some people were not even aware that they were nominated.
Having missed the GTCL meeting the quickest way to become a class A voting member would be to stand for one of the open volunteer officer positions. Of course that would imply that you are willing to do the work involved. If you want "power" at the CFC all you have to do is volunteer and you will get all the power that you can handle.
Some of the available positions that are not yet filled:
and there are probably a few others. Nominations are closed for the meeting but if you are serious in your interest send an email and you will be voting and posting at the next meeting of the voting members.
I am interested in having some say about what the CFC does, don't really want much power though. What are the responsibilities of an A class member besides voting on certain issues and debating the pros and cons? The main thing that will hold me back is I'll most likely have to wait until I get my G2 license this summer so I can actually appear in person at these meetings (I am 20, just haven't decided to get a full license yet).
Last edited by Adam Cormier; Thursday, 10th July, 2014, 04:30 PM.
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