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It would seem that if they have a girl on the team, she has not yet played at all. Is this allowed by the rules of the tournament?
This year FIDE didn't have a clear rule regarding the minimum number of games that the girl should play and some teams took advantage of this. It's not the organizers' fault.
It looks like starting the next U16 Olympiad (21-30 July 2015, location TBD) FIDE will have a new rule and the girl must play at least 5 games (50%). I have no idea how they'll penalize a team that doesn't comply to this rule.
This year FIDE didn't have a clear rule regarding the minimum number of games that the girl should play and some teams took advantage of this. It's not the organizers' fault.
It looks like starting the next U16 Olympiad (21-30 July 2015, location TBD) FIDE will have a new rule and the girl must play at least 5 games (50%). I have no idea how they'll penalize a team that doesn't comply to this rule.
I am delighted to see that Canada displayed good sportsmanship and embraced the spirit of the rules. Qiyu, Jackie, and Janet played 6,7,and 6 games respectively despite being the lowest rated player on their team. Whereas some other teams, not so much….
The following teams played only 4 players:
Belarus, Romania, Israel, Moldova.
The 5th player got only a token 1 game:
Iran, Hungary1, Georgia, China.
I only checked the first 17 teams (and I am assuming the 5th player is female),
but that is 47% of teams making the ladies ride the bench (to steal a hockey term).
Shame on them!
Late edit: Oops. My apologies to Belarus. One of their 4 players is female. :)
Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Tuesday, 23rd December, 2014, 03:17 AM.
The following teams played only 4 players:
Belarus, Romania, Israel, Moldova.
The 5th player got only a token 1 game:
Iran, Hungary1, Georgia, China.
I only checked the first 17 teams (and I am assuming the 5th player is female),
but that is 47% of teams making the ladies ride the bench (to steal a hockey term).
Shame on them!
The idea is to win. I applaud the team captains who chose to play those who would give them the best result. I note 2 of the teams you are highlighting finished ahead of Canada so it's sour grapes, in my opinion.
Your noting of the nations which only sent 4 players is puzzling. Maybe that's all those nations could afford to send or maybe the parents are not wealthy enough to send their children if the state is not paying.
The idea is to win. I applaud the team captains who chose to play those who would give them the best result. I note 2 of the teams you are highlighting finished ahead of Canada so it's sour grapes, in my opinion.
Your noting of the nations which only sent 4 players is puzzling. Maybe that's all those nations could afford to send or maybe the parents are not wealthy enough to send their children if the state is not paying.
I was curious and took a look at the official site's rules page. It only says that each Federation may send a team which must be comprised of 4 players and 1 reserve, and 1 or more of the 5 players must be a female.
So first of all, this means that technically a Federation could send a 5-player team... but if they had one superstar player and the others were much lower rated, the superstar could play all 4 boards at once. Of course, this superstar should be very good at moving fast, handling 4 games at once. Or if that seems extreme, the superstar could play 2 boards and the other 2 boards played by 2 other players.
But I didn't see anything in the rules preventing this. Of course, we all know what the intention is, but if winning is indeed everything, this is a reasonable tactic that would have to be allowed given no explicit rule against it.
Another point is that this opens the door to a high-rated male player who has had a sex change operation and is now officially female. Someone brought this up before regarding some other youth tournament.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
FIDE will have a new rule and the girl must play at least 5 games (50%). I have no idea how they'll penalize a team that doesn't comply to this rule.
Actually it's rather easy. If the rule is 5 games, if you did not have the girl play any games, then in the last 5 rounds, she plays all the games or you forfeit. Same logic for other numbers.
Actually it's rather easy. If the rule is 5 games, if you did not have the girl play any games, then in the last 5 rounds, she plays all the games or you forfeit. Same logic for other numbers.
How were the teams which didn't send a girl penalized this time? Rules say 1 player must be a female.
A team consists of 4 players and a reserve. You can look up the word "reserve" in the dictionary.
Let us know if FIDE comes up with a rule regarding the number of games the female must play. I'd be interested in reading the wording. I doubt with such a team composition it will be possible to penalize a team which has a player who claims illness for most if not all of their games.
If the intent of the tournament is to have a team composition having at least one female player, and said female player must play X games, then I don't see an enforcement issue. If the player claims illness, then the team may be forced to withdraw or have the games she could not play in forfeited. It isn't any different that showing up to a team tournament one player short. As long as the rules are clearly defined well before the tournament, there shouldn't be an issue.
I'm not saying that this was the case for the tournament that just ended. I'm simply stating that in future tournaments, if the goal for the tournament is to ensure certain female participation, then it's relatively straightforward.
I'm not saying that this was the case for the tournament that just ended. I'm simply stating that in future tournaments, if the goal for the tournament is to ensure certain female participation, then it's relatively straightforward.
I expect it to got the way of the 20 million dollar promise. ;)
Not hard to figure out the chances. 54 Entrants. Hungary 8, South Korea 2, Slovakia 2, Canada 3, South Africa 3, Poland 2, Hungary 2. That translates to around 39 nations participating.
If you think FIDE is stupid enough to implement rules to discourage some of that small contingent of nations from entering teams that's fine. My guess would be it won't happen.
The idea with FIDE is to get more nations and teams and players involved and not to set up barriers. So I'm guessing nothing will happen.
BTW, a fifth place finish for Canada is a really good result.
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