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  • 2015 Women's World Ch announced by FIDE

    In Sochi, March 16 - April 7, 2015.

    Eligible players have until February 4 to notify FIDE of their participation.

    see FIDE site:

    http://www.fide.com/images/stories/N..._players_1.pdf
    Last edited by John Upper; Monday, 26th January, 2015, 11:25 PM. Reason: fixed deadline

  • #2
    Re: 2015 Women's World Ch announced by FIDE

    Will Yuanling Yuan play?

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    • #3
      Re: 2015 Women's World Ch announced by FIDE

      I hope so! Still waiting to hear back.

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      • #4
        Re: 2015 Women's World Ch announced by FIDE

        Originally posted by Andy Shaw View Post
        Will Yuanling Yuan play?
        She might be wise to look very closely at it before jumping in. See this article:

        http://en.chessbase.com/post/2015-wo...p-is-announced

        where a number of the financial considerations are outlined, including the blind acceptance of the as yet unknown
        cost of the hotel where the players *must* stay etc. Typical FIDE garbage. Also note that it is a 64 player knockout
        - not exactly an ideal format. Only Armageddon games are stupider.

        I didn't see where the process for determining zonal substitutes is described; if Yuanling decides not to play, to whom
        does the invitation go next (never mind there is almost no time for that exercise) - perhaps it just goes into the pool
        of "FIDE" nominees?
        ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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        • #5
          Re: 2015 Women's World Ch announced by FIDE

          Yuanling will be the 56th seed of the 64 participants.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%2...28knock-out%29

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          • #6
            Re: 2015 Women's World Ch announced by FIDE

            The top seed, Humpy Koneru, is not the betting favourite. There are a few other anomalies between rating and odds as well.

            https://www.betmarathon.com/en/betting/Chess/

            http://www.2700chess.com/women?per-page=50
            Last edited by Jack Maguire; Tuesday, 3rd March, 2015, 02:18 AM.

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            • #7
              FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle





              FIDE Women’s World Championship (WWCC) System

              Canadian Life Consulting (CLC) RANT:

              CLC considers the women's system discriminatory, as compared with the World Chess Championship System!

              WHY?

              2015 Women's World Knock-out Championship

              In effect FIDE vacates the current women's champion title once the Women’s World Championship Knock-out Tournament starts on March 15, 2015. Hou Yifan (China), is the current and 13th Women's World Champion - see photo below, left. She loses any priority as Champion. She plays in this knock-out championship as if there was then, no longer, a Women’s Champion; she is playing as just one of the 64 top women players in the world, an ordinary player, playing for the new 2015 Women’s World Championship title. On 25 November 2014 FIDE announced the knock-out would take part in Sochi, Russia, starting on 15 March 2015.

              2015 Women's World Match Championship

              That new 2015 Knock-out Champion then plays a match almost immediately, before the title is even dry, to defend her title in October, 2015, against Yifan (if Yifan doesn’t win back her championship in the Knock-out).

              Here is the system according to Wikipedia (edited slightly):

              “The Women's World Chess Championship held in October is the second of two world championships held in 2015. It is played in a match format between the 2015 Women's World Chess champion, as determined in a knock-out tournament earlier that year. Her challenger is none other than.....Hou Yifan (Hou Yifan won her place in the match by winning the FIDE Women's Grand Prix 2013–2014. [note: should Yifan WIN the Knock-out, and be the new 2015 Women’s Champion, then her Challenger will be the player who came second in the Women’s GP, Humpy Koneru of India (see photo below, right), unsuccessful 1974 Women’s Championship Challenger (against Yifan).]) The match is played over 10 games and is scheduled from 11 to 31 October 2015.”

              Problem

              This FIDE women's system is chaotic. But for the World Championship: there is a nicely organized system of The World Cup (the knock-out tournament), and the Grand Prix (like the women's GP) feeding 8 players into the Candidates system. The winner of the Candidates, becomes the new Challenger in a match against the reigning Champion.The Champion remains the Champion during the Challenger qualification process; total respect given to the World Champion in the process. Only disrespect to the Women's World Chess Champion in their system.

              Complaints to FIDE?

              Almost none.....the women are afraid to bite the hand that feeds them....Male elite players - some complaining, but no effective pressure on FIDE (no boycotting tournaments, etc.) Now, to give FIDE its due, FIDE is admittedly probably committing more funds than might be expected, given, still, the relative low popularity world-wide for women' chess. But even with modest funding (e.g. much lower prize money), there is no excuse for inequality.

              Canadian Life Consulting (CLC),

              https://www.facebook.com/pages/Canadian-Life-

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              • #8
                Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                1. I agree that KO should be used as qualifier for the candidates
                2. Hou Yifan will not be playing in the KO as she is playing in Hawaii
                3. It seems from her interview in Gibraltar she more interested in hunting down the boys then defending her WWCh
                4. I could see the cases that she might abandon her crown and just play in strong opens / invitationals

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                • #9
                  Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                  Originally posted by Lee Hendon View Post
                  1. I agree that KO should be used as qualifier for the candidates
                  2. Hou Yifan will not be playing in the KO as she is playing in Hawaii
                  3. It seems from her interview in Gibraltar she more interested in hunting down the boys then defending her WWCh
                  4. I could see the cases that she might abandon her crown and just play in strong opens / invitationals
                  Hi Lee:

                  All good points. Thanks...hadn't thought of those options.

                  But regardless of Yifan's personal goals, the women's system is broken for those who do participate in it, no?

                  Bob

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                  • #10
                    Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                    I would total agree however, you would have to poll those playing in the system to determine this as a fact maybe the majority want this system, which I can't see.

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                    • #11
                      Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                      Discriminatory? Just different.

                      And saying that the current open world championship is nicely organized seems like a bit of a stretch. I've completely lost track of how that works these days and it changes frequently

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                      • #12
                        Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                        Originally posted by Lee Hendon View Post
                        I would total agree however, you would have to poll those playing in the system to determine this as a fact maybe the majority want this system, which I can't see.
                        Hi Lee:

                        I see a few problems in determining the view of the majority of elite women players in the world:

                        1. Is FIDE going to take the initiative on this.....when it is their system?

                        2. Is the Professional Chessplayers Association (PCA) going to do this......when they are it appears male-dominated and have from FIDE what they want?

                        3. If someone did do a survey, would it be demanded that it be public and transparent? How would this affect the willingness of objectors to take a chance on objecting, only to find they are:

                        a. left hung out to dry as the rest of the women take what they can get;

                        b. they system changes and they get punished by various legal means within the new system, for being some of the trouble-makers.

                        Canadian Life Consulting (CLC)

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                        • #13
                          Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                          Originally posted by Roger Patterson View Post
                          Discriminatory? Just different.

                          And saying that the current open world championship is nicely organized seems like a bit of a stretch. I've completely lost track of how that works these days and it changes frequently
                          Hi Roger:

                          In our opinion:

                          1. different for no valid reason, except its the women's championship;

                          2. Hate to give FIDE any credit for anything, given their abysmal track record; BUT...FIDE now has a fixed 2 year cycle (World Cup; Grand Prix; Candidates Tournament; WCC Match) which seems scheduled in for a few years coming up....FIDE has never achieved that before (not to say Kirsan won't on a whim interfere......but I think the new company FIDE has contracted with to run the WCC cycle, seems to have some backbone in holding FIDE to its contract (prior private enterprises either did not, or Kirsan was involved in the company....conflict of interest anyone?

                          Canadian Life Consulting

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                          • #14
                            Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                            Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                            In our opinion:

                            1. different for no valid reason, except its the women's championship;
                            Is there a men's championship?

                            That only men are winning the Fide World Championship speaks for itself.
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                            • #15
                              Re: FIDE Discrimination: WWCC Cycle

                              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                              Is there a men's championship?

                              That only men are winning the Fide World Championship speaks for itself.
                              Hi Gary:

                              Any prior history of women in planetary society (=discrimination on all fronts), that might explain current male dominance in chess?

                              Canadian Life Consulting (CLC)

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