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Of all the possible aspects I could have led off with, the one I chose to mandate at top level is that there shall be a distinction between a screening test and a full test.
Very good point.
When you play a lot of chess, it's almost inevitable that one of your games will end up matching what Houdini would have done. The problem is when you do it 3-4-5 times in a row... against much stronger opposition... while wearing very large shoes.
When the FIDE Anti-Cheating Committee was drafting the ACC Guidelines in summer 2014 before the Tromso Olympiad and FIDE Congress, I was naturally assigned the statistical sections. Of all the possible aspects I could have led off with, the one I chose to mandate at top level is that there shall be a distinction between a screening test and a full test.
To my mind this paper expresses well many of the reasons why. What it describes is only a screening test. How my full test fares on its examples is mentioned briefly in my joint paper http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/pa...BHR2015ACG.pdf, which Guy Haworth presented in Leiden during the ICGA World Computer Chess Championship and conference in July. We've had some nice exchanges and Guy even visited the authors in Kent (UK); what we disagree about on the 2300 book cutoff and the importance of reproducibility is secondary. So my reaction to the paper is basically, "Amen!" :-)
Using the computer to detect cheating at chess makes sense. A paper from last year shows that some skepticism should be maintained rather than to accept any program’s results unchallenged.
On the limits of engine analysis for cheating detection in chess
David J. Barnes & Julio Hernandez-Castro
computers & security 48 (2015) pages 58-73
The authors say, “In this section we want to present a number of further games that, given the period at which they were played, can safely be discarded as not involving any computer-based cheating. We call this collection of games the “false positives”, because they would likely trigger alarms in any automated cheating detection mechanism based simply on move accuracy or correlation when measured or compared with computer moves."
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"The game between Weiss and Burille given in Appendix B.3 is a good case in point. It was played in the 6th USA Congress in New York between Miksa (Max) Weiss (the co-winner of the Congress, with Chigorin) and the position after 13 half-moves had been encountered before in our historical database. From that point on, Mr. Weiss won the game by playing 26 consecutive moves that exactly match our engine's choices at depth 20. This is a much larger series of perfect moves than that we saw in the Morphy examples. Surely due to computer cheating, except for the fact that the year was 1889."
Two weeks ago I forfeited a game because I had a new phone, thought I had shut it off, and it beeped when my boss texted me responding ok to my message that I would not be available by phone for 4 hours.
He he! With the sound all the way up. But seriously, couldn't the guy at least defend himself on the basis that it's not his phone?
And anyways, your post brings up another point: spectators and players do go in and out of the playing area (to go to the washroom, for example) continuously during the games. There's no point in checking them for a cell phone at the beginning of the round and then let everyone go around.
Checking for cell phones is just an annoying for everyone and I doubt we'll ever catch a lot of cheaters that way.
If I can use the "it's not my phone excuse" then I can buy a prepaid phone and bring it along and if I am caught say "hey it's not my phone, prove it's mine".
This isn't as unlikely as it may seem. I was playing in a tournament at the RA about a half-dozen years ago and found a cellphone in the washroom. I was the only person there, so I called the last number that it dialed, spoke to the owner's wife, and took it with me up to the tournament room, where I was still playing my game and where the gent (who wasn't a player in the event) could pick it up. But luckily I caught myself before going into the tournament hall to give it to the TD because what if the phone rings while I am crossing the room?
I wonder what happens if someone sneaks a phone into the playing area before the tournament starts, slips it into the opponent's jacket pocket or bag, then has a compatriot dial the number during play. :P
He he! With the sound all the way up. But seriously, couldn't the guy at least defend himself on the basis that it's not his phone?
And anyways, your post brings up another point: spectators and players do go in and out of the playing area (to go to the washroom, for example) continuously during the games. There's no point in checking them for a cell phone at the beginning of the round and then let everyone go around.
Checking for cell phones is just an annoying for everyone and I doubt we'll ever catch a lot of cheaters that way.
I wonder what happens if someone sneaks a phone into the playing area before the tournament starts, slips it into the opponent's jacket pocket or bag, then has a compatriot dial the number during play. :P
For about 20 years now there has been research ongoing on human/computer interface - that is, a direct link from a computer to the brain so that a screen monitor appears within the brain. When that is achieved, it will be possible to implant a computer chip under the skin or even within the braincase.
What then will be the definition of cheating? Will such androids be barred from chess tournaments. And what if the chip implants are not detectible by eloctronic means - as would be the case if the chip were made of neurons? And/or if the chips are needed for medical reasons?
It would seem the tough questions are a decade or two in the future.
During the last Quebec open, players were asked to give their cell phone when entering the playing area before the games.
I can't think of a dumber policy. First, a guy could just bring a dummy phone, give it to the ref and voilà! Secondly, you really think that will stop a cheater? Like, he's gonna think: damn, these brillant refs won't let me in with a cell phone, so let's forget about cheating.
Crack down on cell phones all you want, even with fancy thermal detectors. Cheaters will use other devices or means.
It's gonna end up like the TSA: they'll bother everyone with useless measures and won't be able to catch a goddamn cheater.
I wonder what happens if someone sneaks a phone into the playing area before the tournament starts, slips it into the opponent's jacket pocket or bag, then has a compatriot dial the number during play. :P
Last edited by Tom O'Donnell; Tuesday, 18th August, 2015, 07:23 AM.
During the last Quebec open, players were asked to give their cell phone when entering the playing area before the games.
I can't think of a dumber policy. First, a guy could just bring a dummy phone, give it to the ref and voilà! Secondly, you really think that will stop a cheater? Like, he's gonna think: damn, these brillant refs won't let me in with a cell phone, so let's forget about cheating.
Crack down on cell phones all you want, even with fancy thermal detectors. Cheaters will use other devices or means.
It's gonna end up like the TSA: they'll bother everyone with useless measures and won't be able to catch a goddamn cheater.
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