Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Most people who have no money don't plan and lack financial discipline. Millions can tell you what the Kardashians are up to, or the stats of their favourite sports teams, but their eyes glaze over with talk about stocks and bonds. Anyone with an average+ IQ and decent health can become a millionaire over a lifetime. If you live in Canada or the US you are already the 1%.

Obama did nothing to stop wealth inequality. Why would "from-zero-to-eight-figures-net-worth" Clinton?

We should be clear about something here: not even Bernie Sanders, Socialist as he may be, has been talking about creation of an egalitarian society. I would agree that that is not a realistic objective. The poor will always be with us, absolutely and proven by history.

What seems to be needed at this moment in time in America, and maybe in Canada too to some degree, is a reversal of the trend of the last 15 years or so. A closing of the record-level wealth gap. The issue at this stage isn't whether the people at the low end of the scale deserve a handout.... the issue is whether society can continue to function normally if the wealth gap continues on its current trend, or even just stays where it is.

The thing that happened with Jerry Springer last night on CNN is just a tiny illustration of the brewing anger. We all know about gun violence, now trending back up after long-lasting declines. Another telling statistic: in the U.S., road rage incidents are growing almost exponentially. And yet another: home sales statistics just can't get near where they were before the financial crisis. People are much more locked into their current homes than ever before (a few choice locations may be an exception to this). This forces people to take low-wage service jobs because they can't relocate to get the jobs they are really qualified for. Another telling statistic: the sales of what are called "tiny homes" are exploding. Again, this reflects that people can no longer move up as in the past, and in response, they are deciding to move DOWN to help their savings and simplify their lives.

(The real estate market in most of USA is very revealing: supply is growing in the middle- and high-end, and is stagnant at the low-end. But demand is almost exclusively at the low-end. There's a serious disconnect between what sellers want to sell and what buyers can afford to buy.)

A counteracting force is the growth of startup companies by young people. This is a natural reaction to the stagnation in the job market... if all you see is low wage service jobs, and you're into technology, come up with an idea and start your own company. This is a healthy trend... until everyone runs out of ideas. How many variations on the theme of Facebook can actually be supported? Latest trends indicate a tightening up in the venture capital markets, which could be telling us that new and VIABLE ideas are drying up. We can only hope that science will create some new technologies and new openings.

All this added together may not indicate a current crisis -- rather it may indicate an IMPENDING crisis. Bernie Sanders would probably disagree... Sanders is really the only high-level politician who seems to recognize the extent of the problem and its potential consequences. If Trump gets elected and the trends continue, Sanders could come to be seen as a genius visionary, and his defeat to Clinton could be looked back on as a tragic turning point in American history.

I agree with you, Tom, about Obama. The reason that Hillary would likely do more to shrink the wealth gap is because Sanders just hammered out an agreement with her to do just that -- to implement some of Bernie's choice policies, including ones on student debt and climate change and rule changes for Wall Street. Hillary had to agree in order to get the support of Sanders' supporters. So Bernie's influence will be felt if Clinton gets elected.

Also, Tom, to your point about politicians being affected by changing circumstances. That's a very good point that almost never gets mentioned. I also think it's another reason to prefer Hillary to Trump. The latter is highly reactionary. He could react to an incident in the South China Sea with China's military by launching us into war. I know you think Hillary is a warmonger, but really? More so than Trump? Maybe so with Russia; Trump seems very friendly towards Putin. But China, North Korea, Iran.... Trump is very very likely to start something with any one of them. And Trump is very likely to NOT defend NATO allies as well as Israel.

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

When Trump is elected President it will highlight everything great about America!

I hope I'm wrong Paul, but that's precisely why you fear his victory.

Democratic societies are built on the backs of the Individual ... not on the masses ... but on the backs of the Individual. Those people who for one reason or another believe that anything is possible! They step up! They fall, get up, fall again, get back up and keep trying ... day-in day-out! They don't have a snout in a trough, like so many of you do and desire. America's strength is measured by the Individual! How one person can struggle and succeed. And along way perhaps give something back. It's not mandatory or forced to give something back ...it's by choice!!!

Trump is all of that.

Thankfully he's not looking for the kumbaya moment! All he can do is act like a true American ...act like an Individual proud to serve his country by choice ...not by force or by reins of the mob! He opened himself up to the mob, which stuffs its belly with ridicule every morning, noon, and night! All other Individuals I've seen trying to win the Presidency have gone the 3rd party route. Fair enough. But Trump started from nothing and won the Republican nomination!!! In itself, that's an amazing accomplishment that no other Individual that I know of in modern times has been able to do!!!

Great stuff is unfolding ... The Individual vs The Mob. BTW, you can take comfort in the fact that the mob usually wins ...not always, but most of the time.

As for what he will accomplish as President we'll have to wait and see. He's already committed to raising the minimum wage, which I feel is wrong and should be left to each State to decide, he's right about the NATO countries getting a free pass. He's right about the soon-to-be 21 trillion dollars of debt ...etc.. etc., so we'll just have to wait and see...

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Democratic societies are built on the backs of the Individual ... not on the masses ... but on the backs of the Individual. Those people who for one reason or another believe that anything is possible! They step up! They fall, get up, fall again, get back up and keep trying ... day-in day-out! They don't have a snout in a trough, like so many of you do and desire. America's strength is measured by the Individual! How one person can struggle and succeed.

Neil, I do like your attitude and your admiration of America and of the individual spirit. If you don't run for CFC Executive, or you do but don't succeed, and you want to do something in the chess domain that is very disruptive and exciting and will be global, I'd be interested to chat with you about my ideas that are in progress here in the U.S. and looking for energetic people.

I have to ask, did you write your post before or after Hillary's acceptance speech? Because in that speech, she basically said the opposite of what you are saying. She crucified Trump for his line "Only I can fix it" in his own acceptance speech. She said Americans don't want to be ruled, one of her best lines of the night. She said the hallmark of America is that the people work together to solve problems and achieve progress.

I suppose Republicans ARE the party of individual greatness and Democrats ARE the party of many working together. But I think your opening sentence above is not accurate. Yes, there are plenty of individuals who do rise above the masses, who do persist against the prevailing beliefs, who do succeed where no one succeeded before. But of equal importance in the building of societies is the work of the masses.

If you compare Europe, especially southern Europe, to the U.S., it's quite an economic disparity, and that is due in large part to the much harder work ethic of the American masses. Just compare the number of working hours per person per year in America versus Europe. Since 1980, the gap has been growing steadily as European nations, including Germany, have expanded vacation time for their workers. But even hard-working America pales in comparison to many Asian economies, which is why these are the fastest-growing economies in recent years:

(comparison working hours U.S. versus Europe and Asia)

China is now the 2nd largest economy in the world, Japan #3. Are those countries rife with individuals, by your definition? Maybe a few....

(Mind you, there's something to be said for the European lifestyle as well, such as everyone having more time to enjoy life. Probably why there's more chess in Europe. I think Canada is much closer to Europe than to the U.S. in this regard, except for the chess.)

And now here's something interesting:

The definition of the individual being someone who steps up, falls and gets back up and keeps trying day in and day out... this is what almost ALL the speakers at the Dem convention have been saying about Hillary! So why isn't Hillary Clinton one of these remarkable individuals? Is it because of her decades in public service? Does that mean she can't be an individual? Does one have to be a "rebel" to be an individual?

Despite outward appearances, I don't agree Trump is more an individual as you've defined it than Hillary. See the next section....

All other Individuals I've seen trying to win the Presidency have gone the 3rd party route. Fair enough. But Trump started from nothing and won the Republican nomination!!! In itself, that's an amazing accomplishment that no other Individual that I know of in modern times has been able to do!!!

Trump most certainly did NOT start from nothing. The infamous "small loan of $1 million from my father" invalidates that whole line of thinking. His status as a billionaire was a huge plus in his getting into the primaries to begin with (despite a history of political leanings more to the Democratic side). But once in, to his credit he did use his own money rather than go the usual route of getting donors who would then tell him what to say. So yes, he was able to be a cowboy... because of his money.

I didn't like Jerry Springer saying a candidate for President has to be someone who has spent years in politics. His reasoning is strong, but we should never preclude the chance that someone with better ideas can't come from outside the system.

The problem isn't that Trump is an outsider. The problem is that Trump doesn't have ideas that are good for America. I've already mentioned the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 as direct evidence that breaking down walls is better than building them. And his views on banning Muslims.... well did you catch the appearance on stage tonight of a Muslim man and his wife (I don't know their names), whose son was killed serving in the U.S. military?

They stood on stage together... and the husband and father said "Mr. Trump, you want Americans to trust you as their leader. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION?"

(everyone stands and applauds, the speaker continues... he reaches into his inside pocket and brings out a document)

"I will gladly lend you MY COPY!"

and then....putting an arm around his wife....

"Mr. Trump, you have sacrificed NOTHING AND NO ONE!"

Killing!

....he's right about the NATO countries getting a free pass....

Yes, it is happening, but it's wrong to link this to the protection of NATO members. The financial aspect should be resolved in other ways. The NATO treaty is a committment and should not be breached under any circumstances. Trump's view is very inward-looking, which is how the Roman Empire became when it started to weaken. And we all know what happened there.

Trump may have a point about politicians being stupid. Many of them are. But he shows himself to be no better, and likely much worse.

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Just read this....

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said Thursday afternoon he wanted to "hit" some of the Democratic National Convention speakers "so hard" while watching them last night, including a "little guy...so hard his head would spin."

"You know what I wanted to. I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard," Trump said. "I would have hit them. No, no. I was going to hit them, I was all set and then I got a call from a highly respected governor."

Trump didn't immediately clarify what he meant, but he said he was made particularly upset by an unspecified person he called a "little guy."

"I was gonna hit one guy in particular, a very little guy," he said. "I was gonna hit this guy so hard his head would spin and he wouldn't know what the hell happened."

My response:

It was probably the disabled girl in a wheelchair that he wanted to hit. His describing her as a "little guy" was ........................ SARCASM!!!!!

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Trump most certainly did NOT start from nothing. The infamous "small loan of $1 million from my father" invalidates that whole line of thinking.

Paul, you give Donald J. way too much credit. Besides the 1 million loan, he received much much more from his father before his death, then when Trump senior passed, Donald inherited a sizeable chunk of the family fortune. We don't know the exact amount, but the family fortune estimates go as high as 300 million. What was Donald share?

What is Trump really worth today? Who knows, but the 10 billion he claims is just like most of his claims, bullshit.
Let's see those tax return!

http://www.politifact.com/florida/ar...t-100-million/

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Paul, you give Donald J. way too much credit. Besides the 1 million loan, he received much much more from his father before his death, then when Trump senior passed, Donald inherited a sizeable chunk of the family fortune. We don't know the exact amount, but the family fortune estimates go as high as 300 million. What was Donald share?

What is Trump really worth today? Who knows, but the 10 billion he claims is just like most of his claims, bullshit.
Let's see those tax return!

http://www.politifact.com/florida/ar...t-100-million/

Ok... I wasn't giving Trump any credit at all, but if that's way too much credit, I'll try and do better! :D

I love how he always describes that $1 million loan as "small", sometimes even "very small". That occurred in 1978.... that would be at least $5 million in today's dollars. He is completely out of touch with the reality that 99% of us live in.

For an outsider, he has become the ultimate politician. It's quite disgusting to watch.

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Does one have to be a "rebel" to be an individual?



To have an original idea, to have your very own idea, and to pursue that idea at all costs, to me, defines the very nature of the Individual. Precious few of us are able, for whatever reason and by whatever means, are able to live as an Individual. Sorry for my snout comment, not fair to those who have had to compromise and sacrifice.

With great regret, by far the vast majority of all civilizations ever of all times, have come and gone without ever living their life for pursuit of their very own idea. We're talking Billions and Billions of lost souls. I don't want to get negative, but of those people some of them steal ideas, lie about ideas, cheat about having an idea, and outright run over those who own and bring forth an idea. Those folks are called ...the mob. For some reason or another that mass of people, have become hardened, spiteful, cynical, leading them to ridicule and to belittle the Individual.

In my top twenty Individuals are ...Thomas Edison, Howard Hughes. I'm sure you have your own list too. I'm also sure the name Clinton is not on that list. And the name Trump is closer to that list than Clinton will ever be. Do you know how many jobs, how many people owe their very existence to the Individual who developed an idea, sacrificing their life in the pursuit of an Idea??? It must be Billions of people have built their existence on the backs of the Individual.

Clinton ain't no Individual!

Is the Individual a rebel? No, not exactly. But having said that, and having pursued Ideas all my life (and yes, I am a survivor), I can say that the true Individual who's only concern is that of the pursuit of an Idea, then according to the vast majority of people who for whatever reason never fully pursue an Idea, then yes! the Individual is an outsider and shares the same liberty and freedom as that of the rebel.

And we are talking about liberty and freedom here aren't we?

Give this a look see:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...tial-race.html

Clinton just accepted 48+ million dollars from hedge funds ... I've found a new respect for Bernie Sanders removing himself as fast as he could from Mrs. Bill Clinton!

Clinton ain't no Individual, not even close. Not because she just accepted 48+ million dollars from hedge fund donations just hours after she decried Wall Street in her pathetic nomination acceptance speech, or because Bernie Sanders can't tolerate her bullshit and has run away from her as far as possible, but rather because she is a seasoned practiced politician who never has had the spirit of America coursing through her veins. Clinton has the crutch of Wall Street hedge funds, of global foundations, and of decades of political maneuvering.

By sharp contrast, Donald Trump has had none of that, nothing but the Spirit of America! Trump family built an empire, and The Donald continues to broadened that empire via the American Spirit!

It never fails to amaze me that the masses (all over the world) shun their own who have built an empire ...sad stuff eh? I guess the masses prefer to have their American Spirit rationed amongst the peoples on Sunday morning! Like some sort of social convention, a democratic convention.

[Kevin Pacey]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Am I the only one who thinks that Bonham/Frarey need to take this "outside"? It is becoming even more deranged than the U.S. election.....

For many Americans, I imagine this election is rather like having a choice between having a skunk or a bull in their china shop... someone please end this cartoon before we all hit the bottom.

P.S.: Off topic, I've noticed there might be a substantial market for manufacturers of assorted fairy chess pieces.

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Does one have to be a "rebel" to be an individual?



To have an original idea, to have your very own idea, and to pursue that idea at all costs, to me, defines the very nature of the Individual. Precious few of us are able, for whatever reason and by whatever means, are able to live as an Individual. Sorry for my snout comment, not fair to those who have had to compromise and sacrifice.

With great regret, by far the vast majority of all civilizations ever of all times, have come and gone without ever living their life for pursuit of their very own idea. We're talking Billions and Billions of lost souls. I don't want to get negative, but of those people some of them steal ideas, lie about ideas, cheat about having an idea, and outright run over those who own and bring forth an idea. Those folks are called ...the mob. For some reason or another that mass of people, have become hardened, spiteful, cynical, leading them to ridicule and to belittle the Individual.

In my top twenty Individuals are ...Thomas Edison, Howard Hughes. I'm sure you have your own list too. I'm also sure the name Clinton is not on that list. And the name Trump is closer to that list than Clinton will ever be. Do you know how many jobs, how many people owe their very existence to the Individual who developed an idea, sacrificing their life in the pursuit of an Idea??? It must be Billions of people have built their existence on the backs of the Individual.

Clinton ain't no Individual!

Is the Individual a rebel? No, not exactly. But having said that, and having pursued Ideas all my life (and yes, I am a survivor), I can say that the true Individual who's only concern is that of the pursuit of an Idea, then according to the vast majority of people who for whatever reason never fully pursue an Idea, then yes! the Individual is an outsider and shares the same liberty and freedom as that of the rebel.

And we are talking about liberty and freedom here aren't we?

Give this a look see:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...tial-race.html

Clinton just accepted 48+ million dollars from hedge funds ... I've found a new respect for Bernie Sanders removing himself as fast as he could from Mrs. Bill Clinton!

Clinton ain't no Individual, not even close. Not because she just accepted 48+ million dollars from hedge fund donations just hours after she decried Wall Street in her pathetic nomination acceptance speech, or because Bernie Sanders can't tolerate her bullshit and has run away from her as far as possible, but rather because she is a seasoned practiced politician who never has had the spirit of America coursing through her veins. Clinton has the crutch of Wall Street hedge funds, of global foundations, and of decades of political maneuvering.

By sharp contrast, Donald Trump has had none of that, nothing but the Spirit of America! Trump family built an empire, and The Donald continues to broadened that empire via the American Spirit!

It never fails to amaze me that the masses (all over the world) shun their own who have built an empire ...sad stuff eh? I guess the masses prefer to have their American Spirit rationed amongst the peoples on Sunday morning! Like some sort of social convention, a democratic convention.

Neil, you have changed your definition of an individual from being

"someone who steps up, falls and gets back up and keeps trying day in and day out"

to

"to have an original idea, to have your very own idea, and to pursue that idea at all costs".

That's ok, you can change it if you want. You're trying to exclude Clinton and include Trump. So going by your latest definition....

In one sentence, please tell us what has been Donald J. Trump's 'original idea'?

I'm going to try and guess what your response might be. Maybe "he built casinos and resorts that no one else would build". Hmmm.... not very original. Maybe that small $1 million loan from his father was the only thing that enabled Trump to build where others didn't.

Or maybe "he won the Republican nomination without accepting any donor money and without any experience in politics". Again, not original, I'm sure that idea has occurred to many before him. But no one else had $10 billion to play with and to give them a standing that would make it very easy to enter the primaries. So instead of the money coming from donors, it came from fleeced investors and fleeced small businesses that Trump walked away from in 4 separate bankruptcies. Booyah!

American spirit? 4 bankruptcies? Yeah, that's his original idea: build an empire by gaming the system, declaring bankruptcy and walking away with millins while the "masses" pay the piper. Neil, you need to start drinking some coffee instead of the Trump Koolaid.

Well, go ahead, try and come up with something original that Trump did. Come on, REALLY original.

I was impressed a little with you because in previous posts, you seemed to demonstrate some flexibility in your belief system. But this latest post of yours is brainwashed rubbish. Even to use the term "American spirit" as if no one else in the world has individual spirit.... is there really any such thing as "American spirit"? There is "individual spirit" which is by no means limited to America.

In fact, Americans are best known by exactly what Trump did with his bankruptcies. Americans do whatever it takes to get themselves ahead of the pack. That is their one prevailing trademark. That is why the U.S. ranks near dead last in all measures of how well it takes care of its citizens. A for-profit health care system.... even public health care is subject to the whims of the marketplace! America is about individual achievement.... about winning.... as you yourself put it, Neil: "at all costs". Even if those costs involve hurting hundreds or thousands of good, hard-working people. I suppose THIS is what we can call "American spirit".

This is the natural result of the American credo (actually, Republican credo would be more accurate) of letting the market decide everything. And Neil, you are looking at just one side of the equation. You see the successful American individuals, and for all of them, you simply admire them for surging ahead. Yes, some of them surged ahead because of some original idea that they pursued against all odds. But for others, certainly for Trump, getting ahead was purely a matter of stepping on the little guys. To admire Trump is to put blinders on and not see all those he hurt on his way to success.

And it seems to run in the Trump family: even Trump's own father Fred Trump loaned him the $1 million because Fred Trump was under investigation and had a bad reputation.... this from the Wikipedia article on Trump: "Fred Trump was a silent partner in the initiative, due to his reputation having been damaged in New York real estate circles after investigations into windfall profits and other abuses in his real estate projects..."

You decry Hillary's "decades of political maneuvering" and admire Trump's decades of business maneuvering! How pathetic is that? Well, in Bill Clinton's speech at the Dem convention, we found out that much of Hillary's "political maneuvering" was to get things done for needy children and abused women that no other politicians would even try! She at least did have one original idea: "Let's spend some taxpayer money to help out children in poverty". And she got it done!

If you're against that idea, you can at least come out and say it like a man. Not much of a man, but a man for at least saying it.

You're also ignoring Trump's double standard when it comes to his "America first" statements in this election. Hillary has hammered him on his own use manufacturing of products in other countries for tax purposes.

Trump is playing pure politics. He is engaging in "politlcal maneuvering" and you won't even see it.

Unless you disown this post of yours that I am replying to, and admit that in that post you were extremely narrow-minded and need to open your eyes to the realities, my offer to you to apply to become part of my own initiative (if you don't become part of CFC Executive) is withdrawn. I do admire individuals who achieve success WITHOUT HURTING OTHERS ALONG THE WAY, and I do not want brainwashed people in my business venture.

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Oh, and by the way Neil, you got it totally wrong about Bernie Sanders. He isn't at all "running away from Hillary as far as he can get".

If he was doing that, he'd be ok with his supporters voting for Trump. But Sanders fully realizes that Trump would be a disaster for America. He has exhorted his supporters to vote for Hillary. You are so brainwashed you can't even see reality!

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

WITHOUT HURTING OTHERS ALONG THE WAY

Do yourself a favor Paul, harden your precious sensitivities if only for a brief moment and watch this:

Judge Jeanine: It's time to face the ugly truth of the world

http://video.foxnews.com/v/506610798...#sp=show-clips

HURTING OTHERS

Fact check the countries that have for years funded your lying leader's Clinton Foundation whilst abusing human rights! Suadi Arabia, Qatar, etc., etc..

And if you haven't heard, IRS launched an investigation of Clinton Foundation

http://video.foxnews.com/v/506535591...#sp=show-clips


And then if you haven't put your head back in the sand by now, watch this:

Sanders supporters backing Trump

http://video.foxnews.com/v/506551571...#sp=show-clips

At about the three minute mark, to real for you?

my offer to you to apply to become part of my own initiative ... is withdrawn

Golly gee Paul, I'm all torn up about losing something that never was.

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Do yourself a favor Paul, harden your precious sensitivities if only for a brief moment and watch this:

Judge Jeanine: It's time to face the ugly truth of the world

http://video.foxnews.com/v/506610798...#sp=show-clips



Fact check the countries that have for years funded your lying leader's Clinton Foundation whilst abusing human rights! Suadi Arabia, Qatar, etc., etc..

And if you haven't heard, IRS launched an investigation of Clinton Foundation

http://video.foxnews.com/v/506535591...#sp=show-clips


And then if you haven't put your head back in the sand by now, watch this:

Sanders supporters backing Trump

http://video.foxnews.com/v/506551571...#sp=show-clips

At about the three minute mark, to real for you?

Well, it's obvious you have no defense to the "business maneuvering" of Trump over the past decades, which dwarf the "political maneuvering" of Clinton. Seriously, you come back with FOX News op-eds? As Kevin O'Leary would say, "You're dead to me."

And you did say that Bernie Sanders himself -- the man, Bernie Sanders, NOT ANY OF HIS SUPPORTERS -- was running away from Clinton as far as he could get. As I like to say, "Busted!"

Golly gee Paul, I'm all torn up about losing something that never was.

Now, now.... don't become a member of "the mob"!

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Do yourself a favor Paul, harden your precious sensitivities if only for a brief moment and watch this....<links to FOX News op-eds!>

Still waiting...... for that big "original idea" that Trump came up with. If you don't got it, all that stuff about the 'individual' and 'American spirit' is just hot air when it comes to Trump. But Neil will never make the necessary adjustment....(none so blind as those who WILL NOT see)......

Meanwhile, Trump is getting roasted alive over the Khizr Khan story. Wow, they are calling it the worst mistake of any politician in living memory. It could become the story of this entire election.

Who would have guessed that out of 17 Republican candidates, and the likes of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders, and so many others.... it would be a Muslim 'Gold-Star' father that would be Trump's undoing! Khan's latest statement includes this: Trump is a "black soul". Well..... "Black Lives Matter"..... :D

A very prominent Florida Republican, one of the most respected in the entire GOP, Sally Bradshaw has announced Monday she is going to vote for Hillary because she won't be able to look her children in the eye and say she didn't try to stop Donald Trump, whom she called several choice terms including bigot. Could influence the outcome in Florida, a critical battleground state.

John McCain put out a lengthy statement, basically saying that Trump does not represent the Republican Party despite being its nominee.

Hey Neil ..... reality too much for you? Better hope for more "Judge Jeanine" (or whatever her ridiculous name is) op-eds to shore up all the frustrated white males who want to bring back McCartheyism and the "rule of law"......

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

Now let us hear from Trump's ghostwriter on "Art of the Deal".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MXfQFLLfv0

[Ed Seedhouse]

Re: Trump vs. Clinton: Godwin's Law Has Already Been Fulfilled!

I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but at least she's mostly sane. Trump is insane and out of touch with reality, thinks his words *create* reality. If he weren't rich he'd be either in jail or in a mental institution. He's one of the most glaring examples of "narcissistic character disorder" I've ever seen.

And his LA mob connections are coming to light. He is actually about the only person in the world who LOST money with a Casino!

Also, the ideal of "individualism" expressed by one poster here is insane. "No man is an island" is still as true as it was when it was first spoken. No one is separate from the world and the society that nurtured them. That isn't mysticism, it's science. You aren't me and I am not you, but everybody in the world is in fact connected physically. Again that ain't mysticism, we all live in the same ocean of air and the atoms in your body now were once atoms (to a 9 figure degree of probability) were once in the bodies of everyone else who lives and has ever lived.