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Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
What about the money promised by FIDE? Are you still hoping to get the money so organizers can use them for new GM norm tournaments?
I don't organize tournaments and my son is already a GM so I don't have a personal interest in this.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
Very useful was to see in person the insidious efforts of the former Kasparov supporters to obstruct and disrupt what FIDE was doing and bend it to their own personal benefit. Particularly interesting was the day when the ECU spent several hours talking about the situation in Bulgaria which led to the expulsion of the Bulgarian Federation led by Silvio Danailov a staunch Kasparov supporter and part of the Kasparov team.
Also interesting was the report by Kirsan Illyumzhinov on the situation with the U.S. sanctions on him. Frankly the justification for the sanctions seems paper thin and that is why no other governments have jumped on board.
For starters $10,000,000 of Sinqfeld's support and massive Western sponsorship so that players are not faced with competing in bizarre venues such as Iran and Libya. How are Kirsan's promises working out for the CFC Vlad?
It worked out fine.
Did you have a good time in Baku?
I had a productive time in Baku.
Why don't you explain to the members how exactly the CFC benefited from your presence there? Fred posted what a great investment of the CFC's money it was to send you there.
I should have my report to the executive and voting members done some time this weekend. There are few CFC members posting on Chesstalk.
Fide gave some additional travel allowances/incentives. Hotel and food was covered by the organizers. Beyond travel from home to Baku and back the only expense I had when there was the cost of taxis (between 10 and 12 manats with tip each time or 6 or 7 dollars U.S.) from the Boulevard Hotel where I stayed with the players and the Fairmont hotel where most of the FIDE meetings were held. I only had to travel one way because there were free buses from the hotels to the playing venue and back to the hotels.
I donated the organizer fees from NAYCC ($3 US per player times 349 players mandated by FIDE America) and playing up fees from the Canadian Open ($240) to the Olympiad fund both of which I organized. These along with the new FIDE allowances should cover the expense of sending me and yes the money was well spent.
On the second day before the FIDE meetings had started when they did not allow heads of delegation onto the playing floor and I could not see any of the Canadian games, and the buses back to the hotel were not yet running I walked back to the hotel from the playing venue about seven kilometers or so and that was the only period when I wasn't working on things to further the CFC agenda though I can report that I was thinking about them though I was quite pissed about not being able to do anything productive at that particular moment.
The team did great however I am sure with or without you would not have made any difference.
Petty, petty.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Sunday, 2nd October, 2016, 11:46 AM.
And how would this situation have changed with the likes of Danailov and Leong in charge of FIDE?
For starters $10,000,000 of Sinqfeld's support and massive Western sponsorship so that players are not faced with competing in bizarre venues such as Iran and Libya. How are Kirsan's promises working out for the CFC Vlad? His promised $20,000,000 to FIDE was broken a day after he made it. Did you have a good time in Baku? Why don't you explain to the members how exactly the CFC benefited from your presence there? Fred posted what a great investment of the CFC's money it was to send you there. The team did great however I am sure with or without you would not have made any difference.
So Sid, is your stance that the CFC should FORBID the winner of the Women's Closed from attending the tournament?
I fail to see the logic here. Let's walk through the chain of events.
1) The Canadian Women's Closed was announced this summer, before the announcement of the tournament being held in Iran.
2) The event was for the most part privately sponsored and organized by one individual.
3) The prize was coverage of the flight costs to the event.
4) The announcement of the tournament being awarded to Iran only 2 weeks before the Canadian Women's Closed was held, too late to cancel the event, but early enough that the players knew where the event was going to be held.
So based on the assumption that the winner is well informed of the risks involved, and that the CFC is not actively encouraging or trying to coerce her to go, it appears to me that the decision is up to the winner (and in this case her parents). If she/they decide to go, then the best course of action for the CFC is to actively work with FIDE, the Canadian Government, the organizers in Iran, and any other relevant organizations to help ensure their safety and well being. What other actions at this point make sense?
Garland do not put words in my mouth, I never said that the CFC should forbid any one from doing anything nor does the CFC have the power to do that.
It is obvious that no course of action will eliminate the risks involved. The Canadian Government will tell you just that. That is the position that I would expect the CFC to take. What the player and parents do is their affair but the CFC should not be involved in making representations to it's members that through FIDE somehow these risks are reduced.
The CFC and other chess federations decided to endorse FIDE leadership that has a history of holding tournaments in dangerous and oppressive countries. Sadly players that are truly great from time to time have to deal with unnecessary risks. We have had a corrupt system for a very long time where the leadership benefits (especially at FIDE) and the players suffer. The CFC and for that matter many other chess federations have not been helpful in changing this situation.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Saturday, 1st October, 2016, 06:53 PM.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
So Sid, is your stance that the CFC should FORBID the winner of the Women's Closed from attending the tournament?
I fail to see the logic here. Let's walk through the chain of events.
1) The Canadian Women's Closed was announced this summer, before the announcement of the tournament being held in Iran.
2) The event was for the most part privately sponsored and organized by one individual.
3) The prize was coverage of the flight costs to the event.
4) The announcement of the tournament being awarded to Iran only 2 weeks before the Canadian Women's Closed was held, too late to cancel the event, but early enough that the players knew where the event was going to be held.
So based on the assumption that the winner is well informed of the risks involved, and that the CFC is not actively encouraging or trying to coerce her to go, it appears to me that the decision is up to the winner (and in this case her parents). If she/they decide to go, then the best course of action for the CFC is to actively work with FIDE, the Canadian Government, the organizers in Iran, and any other relevant organizations to help ensure their safety and well being. What other actions at this point make sense?
You did not answer my question Sid, though you seem quite content to answer your own and it is quite beside the point.
My suggestion is that FIDE has an excellent record of awarding bids to organizers whose attention to security has ensured the safety of its participants. Iran has organized several high level events recently and has met this standard every time. If I am wrong I welcome a refutation. You are quite right that I cannot make this event any safer – I can only seek clarification and make suggestions. Your inference that the hostile Iranian regime will come through the fence and incarcerate a number of chess players is… noted.
I personally know people that were harassed by the Libyan authorities during the World Championship of 2004 including one that was interrogated on the suspicion that he may be a spy because his last name sounded too Jewish for their taste.
My point about the fence is that it is of little value against a government that might for example plant something in someones luggage at the airport on arrival or departure from the airport and then arrest them on trumped up charges. I thought that even you could envision scenarios like that.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Saturday, 1st October, 2016, 06:37 PM.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
You did not answer my question Sid, though you seem quite content to answer your own and it is quite beside the point.
My suggestion is that FIDE has an excellent record of awarding bids to organizers whose attention to security has ensured the safety of its participants. Iran has organized several high level events recently and has met this standard every time. If I am wrong I welcome a refutation. You are quite right that I cannot make this event any safer – I can only seek clarification and make suggestions. Your inference that the hostile Iranian regime will come through the fence and incarcerate a number of chess players is… noted.
Duncan, this isn't directed point blank at you, but it does include your comment
I don't know if this is absolutely equal, but there is certainly some commonality.
I recall visiting Catholic churches in Europe and my spouse and daughter were directed to cover their shoulders inside and weren't allowed in unless they had. Who is offended by their shoulders being exposed? I don't hear a great challenge to that demand. We want them to conform while here, but don't want to conform while there seems hypocritical to me.
The difference is that this was in one place-a church, vs. the religious oppressing law being enforced in the entire country and including the visitors.
It is pretty sad that FIDE couldn't organize the event in a normal country.
Perhaps a relevant question would be if any chess players have participated in an official FIDE event and come to harm in a sketchy country. I believe it is pretty rare but I am unsure. I recall some robberies at a bank during the Moscow Olympiad back on the 90's. FIDE is seeking a stay and play venue so hopefully it will be possible to stay inside the fence. The Executive is not encouraging our champion to go - we have simply asked how the family feels about it. Fred is right - they are very experienced travellers and can make their own call. And no we are not happy about the venue.
The more relevant question is why do chess federations support and endorse "sketchy" FIDE leadership that discourages western sponsorship and thus many events end up in "sketchy" countries. The answer can be summed up in one word.... corruption.
Fred is not right, here is what he said in his post
Originally posted by Fred Mckim
Obviously safety is a concern to everybody, and Hal has been working on all aspects of that with FIDE.
Fenced or not fenced off does not provide safety for players against a hostile governmental regime. This is particularly true in the case of Canada that has a long standing acrimonious relationship with Iran. The idea that FIDE with your help could somehow make this situation better for a Canadian chessplayer that chooses to go to Iran is idiotic.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
Perhaps a relevant question would be if any chess players have participated in an official FIDE event and come to harm in a sketchy country. I believe it is pretty rare but I am unsure. I recall some robberies at a bank during the Moscow Olympiad back on the 90's. FIDE is seeking a stay and play venue so hopefully it will be possible to stay inside the fence. The Executive is not encouraging our champion to go - we have simply asked how the family feels about it. Fred is right - they are very experienced travellers and can make their own call. And no we are not happy about the venue.
Fred, WTF are you talking about? The situation is in Iran, not Iraq. The Canadian govt can not guarantee the safety of Canadians in Iran but somehow you think Hal can get FIDE to do a better job? You really are a naive moron. The so called culture of Iran is one of oppression starting with Sharia Law and ending with Canada having a terrible relationship with Iran after there famous and heroic assistance in 1979 in rescuing some of the American hostages. Suggesting to any Canadian that it is a good idea to go there on the strength of FIDE's assurances is just plain irresponsible.
Thanks for the usual vote of confidence, Sid.
What I meant is that the Zhou family will be making an informed decision based on all of the facts in front of them.
Is the CFC happy the event is in Iran ? Obviously not. The Executive are still discussing the situation.
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