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Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
Fred, WTF are you talking about? The situation is in Iran, not Iraq. The Canadian govt can not guarantee the safety of Canadians in Iran but somehow you think Hal can get FIDE to do a better job? You really are a naive moron. The so called culture of Iran is one of oppression starting with Sharia Law and ending with Canada having a terrible relationship with Iran after there famous and heroic assistance in 1979 in rescuing some of the American hostages. Suggesting to any Canadian that it is a good idea to go there on the strength of FIDE's assurances is just plain irresponsible.
Wow Sid, chill a bit. Did it occur to you that Fred's use of "IraQ" might have been an unintended typo since it differs from "IraN" only in the last character??
All he seemed to be saying was that Qiyu and her family are experienced travellers and can make their own determination.
I am no fan of IllusionOf or FIDE either but I don't think Fred was even hinting that everyone should trust FIDE (with or without Hal's involvement) to do anything sensible.
Calling people morons is not called for.
Good points Duncan. Qiyu has been all over the world playing chess, with her parent in tow, and likely have a lot more informed position than most in Canada would on the cultural situation in Iraq.
Obviously safety is a concern to everybody, and Hal has been working on all aspects of that with FIDE.
Fred, WTF are you talking about? The situation is in Iran, not Iraq. The Canadian govt can not guarantee the safety of Canadians in Iran but somehow you think Hal can get FIDE to do a better job? You really are a naive moron. The so called culture of Iran is one of oppression starting with Sharia Law and ending with Canada having a terrible relationship with Iran after there famous and heroic assistance in 1979 in rescuing some of the American hostages. Suggesting to any Canadian that it is a good idea to go there on the strength of FIDE's assurances is just plain irresponsible.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
In many of these situations, there is an attempt by religious leaders to control or subjugate woman according to "tradition". I don't deny the rights of anyone to accept the playing conditions in Iran or to enter those Catholic churches, you just wouldn't see me do either. And I don't think it's wise for Canadian organizations to openly support events that defy accepted Canadian values.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Friday, 30th September, 2016, 05:08 PM.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
Duncan, this isn't directed point blank at you, but it does include your comment
I don't know if this is absolutely equal, but there is certainly some commonality.
I recall visiting Catholic churches in Europe and my spouse and daughter were directed to cover their shoulders inside and weren't allowed in unless they had. Who is offended by their shoulders being exposed? I don't hear a great challenge to that demand. We want them to conform while here, but don't want to conform while there seems hypocritical to me.
The fact that a Canadian organization would seriously condone sending a high school student to Iran to play chess and accept that they must wear a hijab is both absurd and revolting. Hal claims the player is fine with it, but seriously, how many young people truly have the life experience to understand the full nature of this situation. Sure, they shouldn't be prevented from playing if they want to ( and fully understsnd the risks in Iran ), but the CFC shouldn't support FIDE on this.
Good points Duncan. Qiyu has been all over the world playing chess, with her parent in tow, and likely have a lot more informed position than most in Canada would on the cultural situation in Iran.
Obviously safety is a concern to everybody, and Hal has been working on all aspects of that with FIDE.
Last edited by Fred McKim; Friday, 30th September, 2016, 04:53 PM.
Reason: Iran not Iraq
The fact that a Canadian organization would seriously condone sending a high school student to Iran to play chess and accept that they must wear a hijab is both absurd and revolting. Hal claims the player is fine with it, but seriously, how many young people truly have the life experience to understand the full nature of this situation. Sure, they shouldn't be prevented from playing if they want to ( and fully understand the risks in Iran ), but the CFC shouldn't support FIDE on this.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Friday, 30th September, 2016, 03:32 PM.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
Hal didn't mention that the tournament has already been postponed once and nobody besides Iran expressed any interest. This is presumably why nobody objected.
You don't seriously think Ken (or anyone) on the Executive would reveal their discussion points?
I wonder what is the point of having the discussion anyway - what does Canada's stance matter...
The U.S. representative (Nazi) already has stated she has no intention of going - mostly due to US State Department warnings about US citizens in general travelling to Iran.
Why not hold it in just about any Western country that doesn't feature oppression and forget the stupid requirements like wearing a Hijab or other ornament of subjugation?
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
The logic of the Women's cycle escapes me. This knock out World Championship tournament has now been delayed again because it is difficult to sell. FIDE claims it is impossible to sell as a qualifying tournament. So nuke the knock out!
So saying, FIDE has responded to some of my questions about the event. Wearing hidjabs during the round is not yet a certainty. They are also hoping to secure a hotel with a playing hall on site. Iran has organized a Men's Grand Prix and a Women's Grand Prix already, in "sterling" fashion. Our current champion has no problem with Iran or the hidjab, by the way.
When Iran was mentioned at the Executive Board and later at the General Assembly, no one objected. The matter was coupled with the discussion from China, regarding Hou Yifan's objection to having to play in the knockouts. Since the participation rights of players now reach out to 2018, the tournament will continue at least until then in Khanty Mansiysk. Like FIDE's other white elephant, the World Cup, it may end up being tied to future Olympic bids.
Re: Women will be forced to compete in hijabs at the next world championship in Iran
In fact, I'm ready to organize the event for next Spring in front of City Hall. Girls willing to take part, either bikini or burka, please post your RSVP here.
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