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Kasparov's representative in Canada for FIDE election 2014 Robert Hamilton to sue CFC
Bob Armstrong -- What about if I am at a chess tournament and watch one of your games. I note the moves and then publish them on Facebook. Am I in danger of a lawsuit? What if I have a great memory (sadly I do not) and I play the game back from memory? This issue has tremendous implications for companies like Chessbase.
Accoirding to Wikipedia, Emanuel Lasker "argued that players should own the copyright in their games rather than let publishers get all the profits. These demands initially angered editors and other players, but helped to pave the way for the rise of full-time chess professionals who earn most of their living from playing, writing and teaching. Copyright in chess games had been contentious at least as far back as the mid-1840s, and Steinitz and Lasker vigorously asserted that players should own the copyright and wrote copyright clauses into their match contracts."
Accoirding to Wikipedia, Emanuel Lasker "argued that players should own the copyright in their games rather than let publishers get all the profits. These demands initially angered editors and other players, but helped to pave the way for the rise of full-time chess professionals who earn most of their living from playing, writing and teaching. Copyright in chess games had been contentious at least as far back as the mid-1840s, and Steinitz and Lasker vigorously asserted that players should own the copyright and wrote copyright clauses into their match contracts."
Which no one was willing to accept and which matches did not take place as a result of the demands.
Bob Armstrong -- What about if I am at a chess tournament and watch one of your games. I note the moves and then publish them on Facebook. Am I in danger of a lawsuit? What if I have a great memory (sadly I do not) and I play the game back from memory? This issue has tremendous implications for companies like Chessbase.
Steve Karpik - Get a life! You want to watch one of my games???
Re: Kasparov's representative in Canada for FIDE election 2014 Robert Hamilton to sue
Why must Vlad try to insult/slander Kasparov at every possible moment? If this lawsuit does occur it would be between Robert Hamilton and the CFC, Kasparov is not involved, and bringing him up is a red herring.
Why must Vlad try to insult/slander Kasparov at every possible moment? If this lawsuit does occur it would be between Robert Hamilton and the CFC, Kasparov is not involved, and bringing him up is a red herring.
Agreed - the implication (Whether intended or not) is that somehow Kasparov is involved with Hamilton in this actual Ontario Small Claims Court action (Do I understand correctly that Hamilton has in fact filed his claim with the court, but CFC has not yet been formally served? - please clarify). It does nothing for CFC's reputation if there is no public evidence of this.
Bob A
P.S. I would suggest that at the very least, Vlad revise the thread title to remove this ambiguity.
Why must Vlad try to insult/slander Kasparov at every possible moment?
It seems to me that this is neither insult nor slander. It is simply fact. There was a complaint that we did not acknowledge Kasparov's official representative when we stopped dealing with him in 2014 when he had been briefly (perhaps in error) disavowed by the Kasparov campaign.
If this lawsuit does occur it would be between Robert Hamilton and the CFC, Kasparov is not involved, and bringing him up is a red herring.
Except this is something which is happening elsewhere as well (lawsuits by Kasparov associates the most notable being Danialov and Karpov). Many of these actions have been taken in the European Sport court or whatever it is called but the fact is that they have lost every one and the key feature of the cases is that FIDE or the local federation was burdened by legal costs. I do not blame Kasparov for everything his people do but they are his people and their behaviour has been somewhat consistent around the world.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Monday, 31st October, 2016, 09:39 AM.
Agreed - the implication (Whether intended or not) is that somehow Kasparov is involved with Hamilton in this actual Ontario Small Claims Court action (Do I understand correctly that Hamilton has in fact filed his claim with the court, but CFC has not yet been formally served? - please clarify). It does nothing for CFC's reputation if there is no public evidence of this.
Bob A
P.S. I would suggest that at the very least, Vlad revise the thread title to remove this ambiguity.
According to Robert Hamilton, a case has been filed but there has been no service to anyone associated with the case. We await details of the claim. We have been told by Mr. Hamilton that Karpov along with a large number of grandmasters are on board with this. I am not sure that Kasparov has ever stated a position on this question but I am pretty sure that Robert Hamilton was Kasparov's representative in Canada for FIDE election 2014. I am also pretty sure that Karpov was Kasparov's candidate in 2010.
There is no doubt that the CFC has been targeted because we are perceived as weak and possibly more willing to settle than say the USCF which has not been shy about getting involved in litigation.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Monday, 31st October, 2016, 10:04 AM.
Apparently the suit has been filed on September 27th.
And apparently the defendant in the suit was unaware of it until just recently? Come on, this is getting more ridiculous every day.
I am not a lawyer, but isn't there a (significant) difference between a suit and a claim in small-claims court??
Is there a link to an online reference to the suit and any details? [just asking - I have no idea if that information is posted on the www]
"After you file your claim with the appropriate courthouse, deliver a copy of the Plaintiff's Claim and your supporting documents to each defendant. This is called serving the defendants. You have six months to do this after filing your claim with the court."
If you decide to reply to the lawsuit, you must file a defence at the court within 20 days after receiving the claim. If you miss this deadline, you can still file your defence as long as the plaintiff has not yet made a request to the court to have you “noted in default”.
And apparently the defendant in the suit was unaware of it until just recently? Come on, this is getting more ridiculous every day.
I am not a lawyer, but isn't there a (significant) difference between a suit and a claim in small-claims court??
Is there a link to an online reference to the suit and any details? [just asking - I have no idea if that information is posted on the www]
As E.Z. points out, there is a difference between opening a file and serving people.
Note that any supporting documents (affidavits, notices of hearings, etc.) that the CFC might expect to be served upon them cannot be filed until *after* the CFC (or whoever else) has been served.
From the sounds of it, a file has been opened and nothing else has happened yet.
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