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NOT a different set of circumstances! Both issues involve the actions of the Iranian government toward female chess player(s)....WWC, Gibraltar, where-ever. I'm beginning to think that my characterization of you as a woolly thinker is too kind, and you're just a common old idiot. (My insults tend to be more direct than yours).
I agree that both issues ultimately involve actions of the Iranian government towards women. But you're claiming that I'm being inconsistent. My involvement in this sub thread started because I disagreed with Duncan Smith's position that non-Iranian women attending the WWC must be in agreement with the headgear regulation. Duncan said:
Sure, it's her choice, she obviously agrees with the policy because she's attending. On the other hand, if any player felt coerced to bend their own belief system in order to compete, it's not a good choice because in the end it's a chess match. FIDE is further marginalizing chess with these decisions.
Attendance doesn't absolutely mean agreement with the headgear regulation. The headgear may just be a necessary 'evil' for some of those wishing to play. Also, the headgear can't automatically be deemed sexist and abusive. If a muslim woman is wearing headgear voluntarily then it's her decision to honour her god in this way, just as a roman catholic woman might choose to wear a crucifix and a rosary.
There's nothing inconsistent between what I said to Duncan and what I said to Tom.
Tom posted a link about something not directly related to the Women's World Championship. Different set of circumstances - different opinion. Not that hard to understand, is it?
NOT a different set of circumstances! Both issues involve the actions of the Iranian government toward female chess player(s)....WWC, Gibraltar, where-ever. I'm beginning to think that my characterization of you as a woolly thinker is too kind, and you're just a common old idiot. (My insults tend to be more direct than yours).
So now you are agreeing that this governments actions are "unfair"? Many of us believe they are "evil" in to-days world. I have lost all sense of where your woolly thinking is taking you.....
Tom posted a link about something not directly related to the Women's World Championship. Different set of circumstances - different opinion. Not that hard to understand, is it?
If your point is that the way in which this young woman's theocratic, sexist, and possibly misogynistic government is treating her is unfair, then I agree.
So now you are agreeing that this governments actions are "unfair"? Many of us believe they are "evil" in to-days world. I have lost all sense of where your woolly thinking is taking you.....
If your point is that the way in which this young woman's theocratic, sexist, and possibly misogynistic government is treating her is unfair, then I agree.
Yes, fred, I'm aware that we're talking about a headgear regulation at the WWC. I referred to it at the end of the first sentence of my post. Perhaps you have trouble maintaining focus when you have to cope with a sentence containing nine words?
I do see that my sloppy writing is confusing. My intention was to talk about the headgear regulation at the WWC and then make some general comments about Muslim women's headgear. Obviously I didn't do a very good job of drawing a line between the two.
Re polls, you do whatever you like.
After reading the above and your other post from yesterday, your so-called "rebuttal" of what I said is that the WWC headgear regulation is an example of "escalating evil"?? LOL!!
Yes, fred, I'm aware that we're talking about a headgear regulation at the WWC. I referred to it at the end of the first sentence of my post. Perhaps you have trouble maintaining focus when you have to cope with a sentence containing nine words?
I do see that my sloppy writing is confusing. My intention was to talk about the headgear regulation at the WWC and then make some general comments about Muslim women's headgear. Obviously I didn't do a very good job of drawing a line between the two.
Re polls, you do whatever you like.
I have absolutely no problem comprehending a nine word sentence. That was not the subject of my rebuttal.
Last edited by Fred Harvey; Monday, 13th February, 2017, 08:32 AM.
You're not serious are you? We're talking about a "regulation" here....no "voluntarily" nor "choose" in the equation. Kudos to those who stand up and are counted....shame on those who stand idly by while evil escalates. Perhaps we need a poll on this....you enjoy those Peter?
Yes, fred, I'm aware that we're talking about a headgear regulation at the WWC. I referred to it at the end of the first sentence of my post. Perhaps you have trouble maintaining focus when you have to cope with a sentence containing nine words?
I do see that my sloppy writing is confusing. My intention was to talk about the headgear regulation at the WWC and then make some general comments about Muslim women's headgear. Obviously I didn't do a very good job of drawing a line between the two.
Attendance doesn't absolutely mean agreement with the headgear regulation. The headgear may just be a necessary 'evil' for some of those wishing to play. Also, the headgear can't automatically be deemed sexist and abusive. If a muslim woman is wearing headgear voluntarily then it's her decision to honour her god in this way, just as a roman catholic woman might choose to wear a crucifix and a rosary.
You're not serious are you? We're talking about a "regulation" here....no "voluntarily" nor "choose" in the equation. Kudos to those who stand up and are counted....shame on those who stand idly by while evil escalates. Perhaps we need a poll on this....you enjoy those Peter?
Sure, it's her choice, she obviously agrees with the policy because she's attending. On the other hand, if any player felt coerced to bend their own belief system in order to compete, it's not a good choice because in the end it's a chess match. FIDE is further marginalizing chess with these decisions.
Attendance doesn't absolutely mean agreement with the headgear regulation. The headgear may just be a necessary 'evil' for some of those wishing to play. Also, the headgear can't automatically be deemed sexist and abusive. If a muslim woman is wearing headgear voluntarily then it's her decision to honour her god in this way, just as a roman catholic woman might choose to wear a crucifix and a rosary.
I think that it should be up to the player herself. If she doesn't have a problem with the regulations then so be it.
I personally have a problem with any country that treats people badly in any way: many countries come to mind...
I don't think our representative should have taken any advice from anyone except her own views.
Sure, it's her choice, she obviously agrees with the policy because she's attending. On the other hand, if any player felt coerced to bend their own belief system in order to compete, it's not a good choice because in the end it's a chess match. FIDE is further marginalizing chess with these decisions.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Sunday, 12th February, 2017, 03:37 PM.
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