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On the one hand I can't form an argument; on the other hand my arguments brainwashed nearly half of ChessTalk into thinking you and/or Whissell are racists. Can you guys make up your minds?
You really are not very bright and do have to grasp at straws to achieve small perceived though largely hollow victories. I'm sure you got the anonymous coward, anti-Christian bigot, anti-CFC, atheist and troll vote locked up. As it is only 36% agreed with your assertion with respect to my comments. Since the vast majority of the chess public stays off of chesstalk to avoid trolls like you this means based on the feedback that I get something like 96% are not buying your arguments. I think your results would be more meaningful if they were not anonymous.
If there is an truly innocent person languishing in prison and you are their last, best hope I pity the fool who does not ask for a different lawyer preferably one who may have scored lower on the LSAT but has some reasoning skills and perhaps a more persuasive style of argument. Though I guess it is an ideal job for you as you can always blame your lack of success on racial prejudice, Trump, Trump voters and Trump appointed judges. From my perspective, it looks like that's all you have.
On the one hand I can't form an argument; on the other hand my arguments brainwashed nearly half of ChessTalk into thinking you and/or Whissell are racists. Can you guys make up your minds?
It's hilarious how self-serious you are. I hope you never grow up.
No need to when the best trolls are of your low quality. Oh for the old days when the trolls were at least intelligent and could form a logical argument to snare the unwary.
I think firing FBI Director James Comey will be the beginning of the end of Donald Trump.
I really enjoy this episode of a closer look with Seth Meyers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Hn8Ai1sSY
Bob, it isn't about trolling or about being nice or not being nice. If I wanted to troll someone, it certainly wouldn't be you.
Neither is it about flame wars. I'm not saying you should argue with Vlad -- I agree with you 100% that would be pointless.
This is about people with decent and humane values doing what needs to be done against soulless, heartless, selfish right-wingers. Not just talking about it: DOING IT. The election of Trump has caused a call to arms, and in that call to arms, it must be remembered that the pen is mightier than the sword. But in your particular case, you could take a step that demonstrates the strength of your beliefs by disconnecting yourself from Vlad Drkulec's CFC.
And it isn't just Vlad Drkulec... it's Kirsan and FIDE and the Russian mob.... just the wrong side to be on for someone of your values and ethics.
I'm not understanding why you aren't seeing that. What is blocking you?
Bernie Sanders didn't just slink into the background. He's still out there doing what needs to be done. You talk about credibility and flame wars: I can agree with your point, but I don't engage in flame wars. I engage in logical debate, and my opponents turn it into flame wars because that's all they have. Vlad Drkulec regularly projects his own weaknesses onto others, it is his regular and predictable MO. You should realize, Bob, that this is just a tactic, like a cheapo chess tactic when one is being strategically overwhelmed.
Does that mean I should stop pointing out logical fallacies? No! You wouldn't want Bernie Sanders to stop pointing out Trump's logical fallacies, would you?
Well, it appears I've taken you out of your comfort zone. So I'll stop here and you can just go on working under Vlad and letting him step all over you and your beliefs, demonstrating to anyone with eyes to see that you are completely under Vlad's thumb. The only thing I can conclude is that it's a sad situation.
Well, that's not very nice. :(
If you want an intelligent discussion regarding Trump, great.
If instead you continue to troll me, forget it.
I don't get drawn into these ridiculous chess talk flame wars (anymore).
In my opinion, you lose credibility the more you indulge in them.
When we were awaiting the decision of the Canadian Olympic Committee on recognition of the CFC as the national sporting federation for chess, things that came up on Chesstalk came up in the discussions with members of the committee. If we are going to maintain a presence on Chesstalk being engaged in flame wars is a necessity. The alternative is to voice no dissent and by default assent to what the trolls are saying. The only way I could see that working would be to invoke a policy which did not allow members of the board and employees to participate in Chesstalk. The downside of that would be that given the higher volume of posters on Chesstalk people would not find out about certain things that we need to disseminate such as the open spots for Canadians at the Continental Championship. There would be a number of unfortunate failures to communicate and people that deserved opportunities would lose them. From my point of view participating in Chesstalk is the lesser evil but just barely.
Chesstalk is largely a lawless zone. People have to start doing things which would cost the proprietor of the board large sums of money in a lawsuit before things get removed. My experience of courts is that even when you win, you lose and it is not worth it but if you are resolved you will win even in the face of implacable foes with unlimited resources. You can even make the bureaucrats cry when they realize that you will not compromise and they come to the ugly understanding about how powerless they really are when you are willing to dig your heels in and they fully understand the meaning of a scorched earth policy on your part.
My being involved in flame wars is based on my understanding of social psychology and marketing and what I perceive to be the best interests of the CFC. Simply publicly disagreeing with some of these people changes and degrades the propaganda value of their posts. Certain people like Paul Bonham and others who have since disappeared from Chesstalk don't need to be responded to since they have long ago lost all credibility and moved into the realm of ridiculous hyperbole (for example in the case of Bonham recently comparing me to Charles Manson).
At some point I will have to prioritize what I devote myself to and the flame wars will stop most likely at the same time that I give up on being CFC prez and no longer have the responsibility of defending the CFC. Until then, I will try to treat those who attack unfairly to an unpleasant experience though to be fair it is dialed down quite significantly from the old days.
Well, that's not very nice. :(
If you want an intelligent discussion regarding Trump, great.
If instead you continue to troll me, forget it.
I don't get drawn into these ridiculous chess talk flame wars (anymore).
In my opinion, you lose credibility the more you indulge in them.
Bob, it isn't about trolling or about being nice or not being nice. If I wanted to troll someone, it certainly wouldn't be you.
Neither is it about flame wars. I'm not saying you should argue with Vlad -- I agree with you 100% that would be pointless.
This is about people with decent and humane values doing what needs to be done against soulless, heartless, selfish right-wingers. Not just talking about it: DOING IT. The election of Trump has caused a call to arms, and in that call to arms, it must be remembered that the pen is mightier than the sword. But in your particular case, you could take a step that demonstrates the strength of your beliefs by disconnecting yourself from Vlad Drkulec's CFC.
And it isn't just Vlad Drkulec... it's Kirsan and FIDE and the Russian mob.... just the wrong side to be on for someone of your values and ethics.
I'm not understanding why you aren't seeing that. What is blocking you?
Bernie Sanders didn't just slink into the background. He's still out there doing what needs to be done. You talk about credibility and flame wars: I can agree with your point, but I don't engage in flame wars. I engage in logical debate, and my opponents turn it into flame wars because that's all they have. Vlad Drkulec regularly projects his own weaknesses onto others, it is his regular and predictable MO. You should realize, Bob, that this is just a tactic, like a cheapo chess tactic when one is being strategically overwhelmed.
Does that mean I should stop pointing out logical fallacies? No! You wouldn't want Bernie Sanders to stop pointing out Trump's logical fallacies, would you?
Well, it appears I've taken you out of your comfort zone. So I'll stop here and you can just go on working under Vlad and letting him step all over you and your beliefs, demonstrating to anyone with eyes to see that you are completely under Vlad's thumb. The only thing I can conclude is that it's a sad situation.
.... I have to regretfully say Bob that you have, in my estimation, zero credibility until such time as you stand up for your beliefs.
Well, that's not very nice. :(
If you want an intelligent discussion regarding Trump, great.
If instead you continue to troll me, forget it.
I don't get drawn into these ridiculous chess talk flame wars (anymore).
In my opinion, you lose credibility the more you indulge in them.
Arguing with Vlad over climate change is pointless.
The real danger is Donald Trump. I see he just fired FBI Director Comey.
Yes, and previously Sally Yates was fired as Attorney General, for defying an unconstitutional travel order imposed by HER BOSS, Donald Trump. She put her neck on the line for what she believed in, and is today being hailed as a Patriot. She has, in my estimation, complete credibility in anything she does or says. On the other hand, I have to regretfully say Bob that you have, in my estimation, zero credibility until such time as you stand up for your beliefs.
Vlad Drkulec has outright called you a liar. You have been silent in response to that. He can work with you because he has no real conviction, he only has self interest in the fact that you are evidently doing a good job for him. You need to show him that you don't work for someone who calls you a liar.
If you just can't "afford" to do that at this moment, understood, but the time has come to do something about that.
And by the way, I don't just talk the talk. I walked out last year on a company that was paying me VERY well when I found out they engage in anti-American business practices. Cost me money, but my conscience is clear.
Last edited by Paul Bonham; Wednesday, 10th May, 2017, 01:11 AM.
Reason: unconstitutional
While Vlad's opinions on climate change and the honesty of the media and US democrats are ones that I would charitably describe as poor choices, your analogy is also a very poor one. Aside from Vlad using his right to free speech and to vote for who he wants to, he has not influenced society regarding climate change, and nothing that the CFC has done has impacted climate change.
If as you stated Canadian chess is by comparison, nothing, then stop wasting your time discussing climate change on a bulletin board dedicated to chess, and spend your efforts trying to stop those whose actions have a real effect on the matters you care about (hint: see thread title). The benefits would be clearly more tangible.
I'm not denying Vlad Drkulec his right to his opinions. He has argued his opinions quite extensively here on ChessTalk in the past, so it is possible that he has had some minor impact, maybe influenced a few feeble minds. But that isn't important either. What matters is that he would prefer to see there be a CHANCE, no matter how small, that humankind could be eradicated by climate change than to give up on his opinions that scientists are lying and fudging data, with there being no overwhelming factual proof of such claims. Vlad is putting his own personal and selfish desires to have no climate change legislation or restrictions ahead of the interests of the human race.
This means Vlad (and anyone who would do the same) is without conscience. And that means he is equivalent to any remorseless murderer you could name, including Manson. You can jump in and say, Garland, that my analogy is poor all you like, but since I know you have kids, you might be better off jumping in somewhere else to defend scientists against these baseless accusations. Your kids, and their kids should we survive as a species that long, are someday going to judge you -- and I mean SEVERELY judge you -- based on what you did or did not do during these critical times on behalf of climate change restrictions that absolutely must happen.
My message to Bob is that in the face of all that, "leaving politics at the door" on this particular issue is no longer acceptable. This isn't trickle-down theory versus direct government spending. This is the future of the human race.
Bob can ignore that message if he wants to (or needs to in order to pay his bills, if that be the case), but he should then realize that his own warnings about climate change have no conviction behind them. You point out, Garland, that nothing the CFC has done has impacted climate change. Well..... EXACTLY! And with Drkulec in charge, that isn't going to change. Bob has to decide if he really thinks the climate change issue is as important as he has talked about in the past. And that means putting his money where his mouth is, walking away from the CFC, and making it very publicly known why.
The only reason I bring up Canadian chess at all is because Bob uses some benefit to Canadian chess as an excuse to work with a man of no conscience. Since Bob is very vocal in support of the climate change issue, and assuredly recognizes the importance of the issue, that is imo an inexcusable rationalization.
That goes for everyone. History will judge us all, assuming we don't nuke ourselves first thanks to Trump.
Case in point of the looney left just having lost it due to the Trump victory.
While Vlad's opinions on climate change
A scheme to enrich liberals.
and the honesty of the media
At least in the U.S. an arm of the Democratic Party as shown by the Podesta leaked emails.
and US democrats
Nancy, you can read the legislation after you vote for it, Pelosi.
Elizabeth Warren AKA Pocahontas. 'Nuff said.
Barrack, If you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan, If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, Obama
Chuck, Crocodile Tears, Schumer
Al Gore the Environmental semi-billionaire who flys around in a private jet. Trump has already cost him hundreds of millions of dollars.
Susan Benghazi was a spontaneous uprising due to an internet video Rice.
are ones that I would charitably describe as poor choices,
And I would disagree.
your analogy is also a very poor one. Aside from Vlad using his right to free speech and to vote for who he wants to, he has not influenced society regarding climate change, and nothing that the CFC has done has impacted climate change.
Liberals (not the Trudeau ones except in some small instances which they seem to have stepped away from) in the U.S.A. don't like free speech when it comes to their political opponents.
If as you stated Canadian chess is by comparison, nothing, then stop wasting your time discussing climate change on a bulletin board dedicated to chess, and spend your efforts trying to stop those whose actions have a real effect on the matters you care about (hint: see thread title). The benefits would be clearly more tangible.
Online meetings probably trump anything Al Gore has done while zooming around the planet in his private jet.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Tuesday, 9th May, 2017, 10:42 PM.
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