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Ah, now I understand. Yes, a big majority of the expired memberships on the TD list will be juniors who have never paid membership dues. Juniors only pay for memberships when they either play in the CYCC or join in adult tournaments. I don't have any relevant stats on this at my finger tips, but we are currently developing some data mining programs that may shed some light in the near future.
What kind of 'data mining' programs are you 'currently' developing? And in which language are they written, Bob G.? Excel data > JavaScript Arrays, then target some variables? Perhaps simply by using some Microsoft Excel formulas?
And exactly what do you mean when you say 'may' shed some light?
Maybe, kinda, sorta, 'near' future?
Last edited by Neil Frarey; Wednesday, 23rd August, 2017, 01:58 AM.
Can't you just run a program that looks at expiry dates. If they expire after say Sept. 1, 2017,then 2018 or never(Life) then you'll have current members.
All the rest would be either expired or one time tournament players.
I don't even know why we have a Junior Membership fee. Just reduce the Adult fee to $45 and Increase the Junior fee to $45 and that is CFC Membership fee.
I don't mind giving a Family discount. Or Keeping a one time tournament fee, but as Juniors are playing in Adult mixed events then just have one fee $15.
Just make the membership to join the CFC one price then everyone would just be a number and would not have to be segregated by age.
We could do what other organizations do - the "membership fee" is a percentage of the tournament entry fee - e.g. 10%. If the entry fee is $40, the CFC gets $4 from everyone. No more need to process memberships and keep track of expiry dates - if you enter a tournament - you are automatically a CFC member (the organizer will still have to send the CFC the money - but they would be sending the rating fees anyways).
We could do what other organizations do - the "membership fee" is a percentage of the tournament entry fee - e.g. 10%. If the entry fee is $40, the CFC gets $4 from everyone. No more need to process memberships and keep track of expiry dates - if you enter a tournament - you are automatically a CFC member (the organizer will still have to send the CFC the money - but they would be sending the rating fees anyways).
CFC already collects a rating fee per player from tournaments. Membership fee is supposed to incentivize members to play more tournaments to get better value. I'd be interested to see a membership revenue and renewal rates split by CFC rating.
Presumably 1200+ rated players enjoy playing OTB chess. Looking at the TD list again for players rating Over 1200, in the last 5 years (if 1200+ players are potentially club level players) then CFC lost 2601 potential club members, 878 of which never progressed past a provisional rating. If we knew how many rated games and tournaments these people played, or their associated chess clubs, then CFC could work with local chess organizations to get more OTB games in that area. I imagine it takes a couple years to shed a provisional rating due to the lack of rated games.
I'd also be interested to know how much revenue comes in from annual membership of players rated under 1200 (Class E and below). If you abolished the junior fee and made 1 fee for players rated over 1200 of any age, and made membership free for under 1200 players, maybe you could make up the difference ($5-10k?) through a push for more tournaments and rating fees. Or even a Chess Club annual membership for say $100 (?) that gets a Chess club 1 free Club Championship rated tournament, and unlimited weekly rated crosstable submissions could make up that gap. More rated games to keep provisional and club players in the loop and playing OTB chess.
Maybe it wouldn't work, but although the ratings system is stable, the pool of players playing and the frequency at which they play OTB seems low. If the barrier for under 1200 players was reduced maybe they would stay in the CFC pool longer and progress past beginner to a level that they appreciate OTB chess. Right now the CFC fee structure is such that unless you are going to play 2+ tournaments a year (since that's the only way to get rated games) then you won't become a full member. CFC needs to work better with Chess Clubs, not just Tournament Directors, to promote rated OTB games since that is CFC's main service for the vast majority of members. So instead of needing to play 3 tournaments to get 15-20 annual OTB games, you could spread those games out through weekly/monthly rated play to get members more opportunity to get value from their CFC membership.
I guess on the flip side, if there were demand for these club-level rated games by adults it probably would have already happened, and if that's the case then CFC just needs to be happy with the current state of affairs, which is self-sustaining after all. I just don't see how CFC can offer anything else besides it's rating system to members, so my ideas would be focused on increasing use of the CFC rating system.
We could do what other organizations do - the "membership fee" is a percentage of the tournament entry fee - e.g. 10%. If the entry fee is $40, the CFC gets $4 from everyone. No more need to process memberships and keep track of expiry dates - if you enter a tournament - you are automatically a CFC member (the organizer will still have to send the CFC the money - but they would be sending the rating fees anyways).
Throwing the name member around has some legal repercussions in the event of reorganizations or changing the structure of the CFC. A good idea in the case of people who pay memberships and who we can contact but not such a good idea in the case of people who have less skin in the game particularly when those people as a separate class could have a veto over any reorganization.
Presumably 1200+ rated players enjoy playing OTB chess. Looking at the TD list again for players rating Over 1200, in the last 5 years (if 1200+ players are potentially club level players) then CFC lost 2601 potential club members, 878 of which never progressed past a provisional rating. If we knew how many rated games and tournaments these people played, or their associated chess clubs, then CFC could work with local chess organizations to get more OTB games in that area. I imagine it takes a couple years to shed a provisional rating due to the lack of rated games.
imho, there are lot of players who are dragged by parents to chess. When they become older their interest change and they have some word on choosing what they want. Who stay in chess advance higher.
Can't you just run a program that looks at expiry dates. If they expire after say Sept. 1, 2017,then 2018 or never(Life) then you'll have current members.
All the rest would be either expired or one time tournament players.
Should be able to target any/all data fields. Expiry dates and Age are two good points to begin, one time tournament data would also be useful, and to see if any of those players purchased other types of memberships.
Ps. Numbers for May 1 were adjusted down to 2,133 after some errors found. Thanks Fred and Lyle.
Membership count for August 1 = 2,190. A nice increase of 57 members in the last 3 months.
We seem to be on a healthy upward trend. :)
Thanks to all the clubs, organizers, volunteers, and supporters across Canada. You make it happen.
The upward trend on memberships is continuing.
Final count as of Sept 1 = 2,207
Then 80 members dropped off the list expiring Sept 1 (2,127)
Then the count climbs during the month,
Count as of today (Sept 19) = 2,196
It looks like Oct 1 will be higher again.
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