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    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
    Lets not forget giving Omar Khadr and his lawyers over 10 million dollars.
    I believe I kind of covered that by mentioning our left-leaning justice system, though perhaps you refer to the alt-left tendency of many Canadian politicians, that's under the guise of so-called political correctness.
    Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
    Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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      To all the idiots calling me left, stop being idiots. My economics are more right-wing than yours are. I just have a problem with a President who's a racist, a sexist, and so many more despicable things. So does the Bush family. I guess they're also members of the "alt-left" (whatever that means).
      everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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        Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
        What makes you think everyone here is still in Canada? I live in both countries and have for over twenty years. I do see the "true reality" of the US and i like very much what I see. I live in Toronto and Manhattan and i have no problem with "a cutthroat capitalistic city".
        I didn't address "everyone" and my point on Toronto is in reference to Kevin's irrational belief that the "left" has already won in Canada.
        Last edited by Duncan Smith; Thursday, 17th August, 2017, 04:35 PM.

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          Fwiw, I'm not sure I'd go this far ("Canada: How the Communists took control"), but the following perhaps is food for thought (at the least it features a juicy contemporary hatchet job on numerous Canadian political figures of old, especially P.E.T.):

          http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...pol_nwo154.htm
          Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Saturday, 19th August, 2017, 04:51 PM. Reason: Adding content
          Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
          Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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            I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It.

            It is now clear that we were deluding ourselves.
            And some continue to do so.
            everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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              More propaganda from the alt-left, this time from known communist Mitt Romney:

              Originally posted by Mitt Romney
              I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

              The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

              In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

              The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

              This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.
              Source: https://www.facebook.com/mittromney/...54652303536121
              everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                Attaboy Mitt!! Thanks for putting that up, Ben.
                "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                  "... It is true, of course, that in Germany before 1933, and in Italy before 1922, communists and Nazis or Fascists clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties. They competed for the support of the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. But their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common and whom they could not hope to convince, is the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist, and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits who are made of the right timbre, although they have listened to false prophets, they both know there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom. ..." Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
                  "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                    Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                    "... It is true, of course, that in Germany before 1933, and in Italy before 1922, communists and Nazis or Fascists clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties. They competed for the support of the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. But their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common and whom they could not hope to convince, is the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist, and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits who are made of the right timbre, although they have listened to false prophets, they both know there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom. ..." Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
                    Do you think both sides are doing that now? I don't think so. Antifa and BLM are not trying to recruit hardcore Trump supporters. They're trying to recruit moderates. You might argue that they are demonizing the other side, certainly not that they are viewing the other side as "potential recruits who are made of the right timbre." I'm not sure how that quotation is at all relevant to what's going on now.
                    everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                      Originally posted by ben daswani View Post
                      Do you think both sides are doing that now? I don't think so. Antifa and BLM are not trying to recruit hardcore Trump supporters. They're trying to recruit moderates. You might argue that they are demonizing the other side, certainly not that they are viewing the other side as "potential recruits who are made of the right timbre." I'm not sure how that quotation is at all relevant to what's going on now.
                      Antifa, BLM and White Supremacists are all Identitarians.

                      When White Supremacists whine about how the government/the media/whomever are out to get them, then the cops show up to break up their lawful assembly followed by completely skewed (imo) reports of how only one side was violent, their paranoia becomes justified. The best approach is to let them spew, then rebut their points with reason and logic, not engage in violent clashes. Antifa and BLM help recruit ... White Supremacists. Don't believe me? Allow White Supremacists to tell you themselves:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWr2NUvbcVI (question then answer starts at 16:55 of the video). Note: the is 2016 and references riots prior to the one in Charlottesville.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2goCMKjwuE (question then answer starts at 8:25) "... the one group that is not failing us is our enemies ..."

                      White Supremacists are a fringe element. They grow in stature when groups like BLM and Antifa make them newsworthy.


                      When radicals start accusing everyone of being a -ist based on their background coupled with every micro-aggression both real and imaginary, it creates a bunch of people who think "F##k it, they already think I'm X, so I may as well be X", then act accordingly.

                      This strategy is so poor that I think even if Trump proves to be a complete fiasco, he could still win a second term. Calling people idiots and trying to muzzle them because they disagree is a great way to mobilize them into obstructing.
                      "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                        Back to the news of today... Bannon is out. Will he (plus Breitbart) be one sore loser too many for Trump to handle?
                        Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
                        Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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                          Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
                          Back to the news of today... Bannon is out. Will he (plus Breitbart) be one sore loser too many for Trump to handle?
                          Bannon just became one hundred times more powerful though it won't be to help the left against Trump. He was back chairing a meeting at his old Breitbart News gig. He will not be as constrained in his criticism of those dragging their feet on the Trump agenda.

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                            http://www.breitbart.com/

                            Steve K. Bannon returns home to Breitbart Populist hero.

                            "Former White House Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon returned as Executive Chairman of Breitbart News Friday afternoon and chaired the company’s evening editorial meeting."

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                              https://twitter.com/Breznican/status/898586524874186753

                              Damn, this stuff sounds pretty familiar. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

                              Full interview: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watc...-1026775107752

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                                Great points, Tom.
                                It really comes down to the method of thinking.

                                Mavros

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