Trump - The NEW, New Thread

[Mavros Whissell]

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Right and Alt-Right media are under massive attacks.

The events in Charlottesville provided another opportunity for this. The Rebel got hit hard. Faith Goldy made an incredibly clumsy move by hopping onto a Neo-Nazi broadcast. She wanted to talk about the real storey of how things went down in Charlottesville, but joining groups that are simply evil is not the way to do it.

Hannity has been targeted and has resisted so far. Tucker Carlson has proved tougher to attack thus far. O'Reilly ran his mouth enough that all that was needed were allegations to force him into settlements, and it was easy to peg him off.

The right is under huge pressure from the lies of mainstream media and every mistake large and small is brought to the fore. There is no room for error. So almost no one will make it through!

Bannon will have the fight of his life waiting for him at Brietbart, where openly conservative Milos was already knocked off for making pedophile-like remarks about one of his relationships.

Every Christian knows this world is the devil's - so it should not be shocking even if it is sad. The loudest and most dominant voice is not going to be a good one to us.

I believe very much we should resist all attempts to be verbally censored, but avoid violence at all costs.

[Ben Daswani]

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Antifa, BLM and White Supremacists are all Identitarians.

From Wikipedia: "The Identitarian movement is a white nationalist movement that advocates the preservation of national identity and a return to 'traditional western values'."

Yeah, that sounds like the BLM manifesto to a tee.

Also from Wikipedia: "Not to be confused with identity politics."

Sounds like you did, though.

When White Supremacists whine about how the government/the media/whomever are out to get them, then the cops show up to break up their lawful assembly followed by completely skewed (imo) reports of how only one side was violent, their paranoia becomes justified.

Would you let ISIS hold a rally in Charlottesville? Why the KKK then? They're both terrorist organizations.

And who cares if both sides were violent? Both sides were violent in WWII, too.

Antifa and BLM help recruit ... White Supremacists.

So, you're blaming BLM, a group that advocates for equal rights for black people, for white people being racist against black people? Not a good look.

Furthermore, you seem to be under the impression that any of these white supremacists are recruited. They've always been white supremacists. They've just been covert about it. Them being overt about it is actually worse for their cause.

White Supremacists are a fringe element. They grow in stature when groups like BLM and Antifa make them newsworthy.

No, white supremacists are not a fringe element. They are the popular base of the man in the world's most powerful position. Most Trump voters think Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. These people are white supremacists. White supremacy is not rare or limited. It is widespread and pervasive.

When radicals start accusing everyone of being a -ist based on their background coupled with every micro-aggression both real and imaginary, it creates a bunch of people who think "F##k it, they already think I'm X, so I may as well be X", then act accordingly.

I agree. That's why I don't accuse fragile white men of being racist based on micro-aggressions. I accuse them of being racist, like Whissell, when they say that all non-whites in Canada are "immigrants." That's not a micro-aggression. That's just a conservative white dude being a racist. I've seen it all my life.

This strategy is so poor that I think even if Trump proves to be a complete fiasco, he could still win a second term. Calling people idiots and trying to muzzle them because they disagree is a great way to mobilize them into obstructing.

I don't know to whom you're referring here. Are you saying that I'm doing that or that BLM/Antifa are doing that?

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Right and Alt-Right media are under massive attacks.

The events in Charlottesville provided another opportunity for this. The Rebel got hit hard. Faith Goldy made an incredibly clumsy move by hopping onto a Neo-Nazi broadcast. She wanted to talk about the real storey of how things went down in Charlottesville, but joining groups that are simply evil is not the way to do it.

Hannity has been targeted and has resisted so far. Tucker Carlson has proved tougher to attack thus far. O'Reilly ran his mouth enough that all that was needed were allegations to force him into settlements, and it was easy to peg him off.

O'Reilly was a Neanderthal who harassed women and made cringe worthy statements on air towards women at times. He was brought down by these actions. Fox seems to be moving to the middle. There are rumors of a Fox like news channel with Bannon at the helm.

The right is under huge pressure from the lies of mainstream media and every mistake large and small is brought to the fore. There is no room for error. So almost no one will make it through!

Certainly it would be a good idea to refrain from impropriety.

Bannon will have the fight of his life waiting for him at Brietbart, where openly conservative Milos was already knocked off for making pedophile-like remarks about one of his relationships.

I don't think they were pedophile like, they were pedophile remarks.

Every Christian knows this world is the devil's - so it should not be shocking even if it is sad. The loudest and most dominant voice is not going to be a good one to us.

I believe very much we should resist all attempts to be verbally censored, but avoid violence at all costs.

It was the Devil's world up until 2017 years ago (plus or minus four years). He's just making as much mischief as possible before mop up operations begin.

[Tom O'Donnell]

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Would you let ISIS hold a rally in Charlottesville? Why the KKK then? They're both terrorist organizations.

I would allow anyone [edit: anyone in the country legally] to hold a rally so long as they didn't advocate for criminal acts. That includes both the KKK and ISIS sympathizers. If ISIS sympathizers were to say, for example, that the US doesn't belong in Syria, and that the US government's actions constitute war crimes, then that's an opinion and that's what free speech is all about.

And who cares if both sides were violent? Both sides were violent in WWII, too.

Fortunately for the far-Left in particular this isn't war. It's not even close.

So, you're blaming BLM, a group that advocates for equal rights for black people, for white people being racist against black people? Not a good look.


Furthermore, you seem to be under the impression that any of these white supremacists are recruited. They've always been white supremacists. They've just been covert about it. Them being overt about it is actually worse for their cause.

I am saying that when groups try to muzzle other groups it makes the muzzlers look weak. If you have an argument, then make it. If I don't like someone's opinion I don't show up at their house and toss rocks at them. BLM and the KKK have this in common: they both see things through a lens of race and feel oppressed. Yes, some White people evidently feel oppressed.

No, white supremacists are not a fringe element. They are the popular base of the man in the world's most powerful position. Most Trump voters think Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. These people are white supremacists. White supremacy is not rare or limited. It is widespread and pervasive.

Believing Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim is not racist. It is people being wrong. People are wrong all the time. You could probably find 100K people in the US who believe Elvis Presley is still alive.

I don't know to whom you're referring here. Are you saying that I'm doing that or that BLM/Antifa are doing that?

Antifa and the media. Antifa has a strategy of showing up and trying to incite violence, and the media laps it up because violent conflict gets eyeballs.


Oh I forgot one thing. From the Wikipedia link you gave:

"Identity politics, also called identitarian politics,[2] refers to political positions based on the interests and perspectives of social groups with which people identify. Identity politics includes the ways in which people's politics may be shaped by aspects of their identity through loosely correlated social organizations. Examples include social organizations based on age, religion, social class or caste, culture, dialect, disability, education, ethnicity, language, nationality, sex, gender identity, generation, occupation, profession, race, political party affiliation, sexual orientation, settlement, urban and rural habitation, and veteran status. Not all members of any given group are involved in identity politics. Identity politics are used by minority and civil rights organizations to form a coalition with members of the majority."

I consider this a distinction without a difference, but am open-minded enough to be informed.

[Kevin Pacey]

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Bannon just became one hundred times more powerful though it won't be to help the left against Trump. He was back chairing a meeting at his old Breitbart News gig. He will not be as constrained in his criticism of those dragging their feet on the Trump agenda.

One thing I don't understand is why Bannon of the US is friends with our Butts, who advised the Ontario Liberals (and more recently PM Trudeau) regarding their disasterous Green Energy policy.

[edit: perhaps something to do with Bannon's previous interest in pollution:]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Butts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Energy_Act_2009

[Ben Daswani]

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I would allow anyone [edit: anyone in the country legally] to hold a rally so long as they didn't advocate for criminal acts.

Genocide might be a criminal act. I'm not sure. I'm no expert.

BLM and the KKK have this in common: they both see things through a lens of race and feel oppressed. Yes, some White people evidently feel oppressed.

Yes, but people who think that black communities are systemically oppressed are correct, and people who think that white communities are systemically oppressed are fucking white supremacist idiots. So... what exactly is your point?

Believing Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim is not racist.

You're willfully ignorant if you actually believe something so stupid.

I consider this a distinction without a difference, but am open-minded enough to be informed.

What are you even saying here? You consider white supremacy and "political positions based on the interests and perspectives of social groups with which people identify" the same thing? A distinction without a difference?

[Mavros Whissell]

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I consider this a distinction without a difference, but am open-minded enough to be informed.

Hi Tom,

I think you are wasting your time arguing with someone who is closed-minded, relies constantly on the micro-aggression technique, and cannot tell the truth even half the time. All of this is proven in his own posts. I am grateful that others such as you stand up to his lies, but it is almost like he is a hate machine complete with feed-back loop, feeding off the energy from attempts to challenge his hatred. I don't think it is good to feed him.

I originally thought it was critical to endlessly stand up to his lies, but there seems to be a factor in favour of not doing so. No one on chesstalk but the already left-leaning listen to him with any intent to agree with or learn anything. He has no influence and no power, no real audience to believe his lies. He will name-call me and you and many others without thought or remorse instead of coming up with facts (excepting his one study on theism - which in itself is a lie).

So good for you for remaining open-minded, but in my opinion that should be reserved for people who deserve your attention.

[Tom O'Donnell]

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Hi Tom,

I think you are wasting your time arguing with someone who is closed-minded, relies constantly on the micro-aggression technique, and cannot tell the truth even half the time. All of this is proven in his own posts. I am grateful that others such as you stand up to his lies, but it is almost like he is a hate machine complete with feed-back loop, feeding off the energy from attempts to challenge his hatred. I don't think it is good to feed him.

I originally thought it was critical to endlessly stand up to his lies, but there seems to be a factor in favour of not doing so. No one on chesstalk but the already left-leaning listen to him with any intent to agree with or learn anything. He has no influence and no power, no real audience to believe his lies. He will name-call me and you and many others without thought or remorse instead of coming up with facts (excepting his one study on theism - which in itself is a lie).

So good for you for remaining open-minded, but in my opinion that should be reserved for people who deserve your attention.

This is excellent advice. I think I will take it. Thanks!

[Lucas Davies]

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There's nothing remotely racist about thinking that Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim. I often erroneously believe that people are Muslims who were born in another country because they have dark skin, and I have black friends, so I can't be racist. People accused every white president of being a Muslim, but nobody ever called them racist. Fucking liberals are so sensitive.

[Neil Frarey]

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Trump personally pledging $1 million of his own money to hurricane Harvey relief!

Remind me again, when hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans with such force how much did Obama personally pledge of his own money to hurricane Katrina relief?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierce..._b_939706.html

Contrast?

MAGA!

[Tom O'Donnell]

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Trump personally pledging $1 million of his own money to hurricane Harvey relief!

Remind me again, when hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans with such force how much did Obama personally pledge of his own money to hurricane Katrina relief?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierce..._b_939706.html

Contrast?

MAGA!

Uh, Bush was President in 2005.

[Peter McKillop]

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Trump personally pledging $1 million of his own money to hurricane Harvey relief!

Remind me again, when hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans with such force how much did Obama personally pledge of his own money to hurricane Katrina relief?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierce..._b_939706.html

Contrast?

MAGA!

It was a nice gesture - Trump doing something decent for a change. But let's keep things in perspective. Give or take, Trump's net worth is about 3.5 billion dollars. If I've done my arithmetic correctly, Trump donating 1 million dollars to Harvey relief is like someone with a net worth of $1,000,000 donating $285.71.

P.S. Get busy on Google, Neil, and find out what serious billionaire philanthropists - e.g. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett - are donating to charities.

[Neil Frarey]

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Uh, Bush was President in 2005.

From the above link:

President Obama told a New Orleans town hall gathering: “I wish I could just write a check.”

Have a nice day.

[Neil Frarey]

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Get busy on Google, Neil, and find out what serious billionaire philanthropists - e.g. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett - are donating to charities.

Another typical deflection tactic ...great.

[Peter McKillop]

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Another typical deflection tactic ...great.

On July 10, 2017, Warren Buffett donated 3.17 billion dollars to charity. For over a decade Buffett has been donating 1+ billion dollars per year to charity. Now that's impressive! Trump's donation of $1,000,000 was, proportionately, the equivalent of a person with a net worth of $10,000 donating $2.86. Every little bit helps. All I'm saying is keep a sense of perspective regarding your racist, misogynistic, homophobic hero.