Trump - The NEW, New Thread

[Sid Belzberg]

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Thanks Peter. I was having some trouble finding conservative voices who found Trump's comments as disappointing as I did.
His prepared text was okay, but his ad lib "on all sides" just watered it down too much.
He was given another opportunity to disassociate himself from the white supremacy movement, but he failed again.

I would tend to agree that Trump was not forceful enough in his condemnation. However, I do agree that hatred and bigotry has come from all sides some of which we have seen on this very forum. Today a more direct condemnation of white supremecists and neo nazis was apparently forthcoming from the president. All of Trump's grandchildren are Jewish, the idea that he would advocate groups like the Neonazis or the KKK is nonsense. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...a-rallies.html

[Neil Frarey]

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Friday, August 11, 2017

Rasmussen Reports shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

MAGA!

[Bob Gillanders]

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The National Review, a bastion of the conservative American media, calls out Trump for his failure to denounce white supremacists (and other racist scum) after the Charlottesville riots.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...sville-racists

Thanks Peter. I was having some trouble finding conservative voices who found Trump's comments as disappointing as I did.
His prepared text was okay, but his ad lib "on all sides" just watered it down too much.
He was given another opportunity to disassociate himself from the white supremacy movement, but he failed again.

[Peter McKillop]

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The National Review, a bastion of the conservative American media, calls out Trump for his failure to denounce white supremacists (and other racist scum) after the Charlottesville riots.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...sville-racists

[Kevin Pacey]

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When backed into a corner, Trump finally denounced David Duke and the KKK during the 2016 campaign, which may be worth noting, at least.

On a seperate issue, Trump has been a strongman on a number of occasions as far as making various threats goes, and has expressed admiration for several strongmen in the world (our own J. Trudeau has also done this to a lesser extent perhaps). No certainty yet that Trump (or Kushner his son-in-law, or Soros...) won't end up saddling the US forever with very black hats in the eyes of the world, if I may deliberately mix metaphors.

[Lucas Davies]

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/d...b0909642974a10

Trump still unwilling to openly condemn white supremacists. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

[Ben Daswani]

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Conservatives are openly Nazis now. But idiots still argue that the "fascists" among liberals are more of a problem. What's happening in Virginia is what you Trump apologists knew would happen and wanted to happen. You are all sick.

[Sid Belzberg]

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What an excellent article!! Thanks again, Sid.

Thankyou Peter,

I am glad you enjoyed it, the main player to pull off a reunification would be China and they are indeed being pressured to do this as evidenced by their unprecedented vote in favor of sanctions. The problem is that the rate of NOKO"s threats are faster then the fomenting of a revolution where the key player to do this would be China.The Uranium and for that matter the technology NOKO uses is similar to Iran's that comes from Russia.

The west enjoyed some success in sabotaging Iran's nuclear efforts via the STUX virus that was one of the first examples of software that damaged physical infrastructure. It was embedded in centrifuge chips and used Bayesian classifiers to initially collect data and record which signals would appear normal to the technicians. It would then reset the speeds of he centrifuges but continue to send false signals indicating everything is normal to the technicians. It was very well written code and when the code was examined it was clear that it was a massive state sponsored effort.

These types of projects could buy time while regime change efforts as outlined in the article are undertaken. Sebastian Gorka has made references to covert acts so indeed they may be well advanced in these efforts.

The statements about "fire and fury" are very similar to Truman's before Japan was laid to waste with nuclear weapons. This type of language is probably the only type the regime in NOKO understands. Crude but effective? Time will tell. History has shown that the Japanese did not listen to Truman's rhetoric and continued with their plan to contaminate the west coast in September of 1945 with germ laden balloons aimed at wiping out large populations on the West coast including San Francisco.
I do not think NOKO is listening to Trump's rhetoric either just like the Japanese did not all those years ago in August of 1945 that sadly makes the likelihood of war very high if history is a good indicator.
Update: claims that the Misssiles by NOKO are capable of carrying Nuclear payloads is described by MIT engineers and missile specialists as a hoax in Newsweek. This could buy a year or more of time to execute other options described above.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsweek-...163255839.html

[Peter McKillop]

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...jong-un-215411

What an excellent article!! Thanks again, Sid.

[Sid Belzberg]

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A couple of thoughts re North Korea:

1. Trump needs to back off with the inflammatory, jingoistic rhetoric. Tillerson seems to have a good head on his shoulders. The U.S. has already scored an important diplomatic success - tougher sanctions approved by the Security Council. Trump needs to let Tillerson do his job without public interference. So, on the front burner the U.S. needs to continue intense diplomatic efforts to obtain the international support (particularly China) needed to bring North Korea to the negotiating table.

2. Behind the scenes, the U.S. needs to be working with maximum speed & efficiency to prepare itself for war with NK. It's highly unlikely that this would be a conventional war given that NK's huge standing army is only an hour from Seoul. Therefore, whether it's on a reactive basis or pre-emptive, the U.S. must be prepared for an air war and all that that entails.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...jong-un-215411

[Peter McKillop]

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A more useful discussion would be ideas on how to deal with these issues. The election is over and few deny that both candidates left a lot to be desired. So we are facing an existensial threat by two different irresponsible regimes in China and Iran. The ideas of the past presidents have clearly failed. How do you deal with a fully armed North Korea that continues with very provocative rhetoric? What tactics do you deploy in dealing with them. Japan for example claims that they can intercept ICBMS that North Korea is threatening to annihilate Guam with. But the risk of failure has unimaginable costs. Probably one of the few options that needs to be tried would be covert actions with respect to damaging the cyber infrastructure that North Korea uses to control this technology.

A couple of thoughts re North Korea:

1. Trump needs to back off with the inflammatory, jingoistic rhetoric. Tillerson seems to have a good head on his shoulders. The U.S. has already scored an important diplomatic success - tougher sanctions approved by the Security Council. Trump needs to let Tillerson do his job without public interference. So, on the front burner the U.S. needs to continue intense diplomatic efforts to obtain the international support (particularly China) needed to bring North Korea to the negotiating table.

2. Behind the scenes, the U.S. needs to be working with maximum speed & efficiency to prepare itself for war with NK. It's highly unlikely that this would be a conventional war given that NK's huge standing army is only an hour from Seoul. Therefore, whether it's on a reactive basis or pre-emptive, the U.S. must be prepared for an air war and all that that entails.

[Sid Belzberg]

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Thanks for that interesting link, Sid. I assume your point is that two presidents who were supposedly a lot more intelligent and a lot more knowledgeable about foreign affairs than Trump, still managed, with benefit of hindsight, to make somewhat naive/questionable decisions w.r.t. Iran and North Korea. That may be so but it still doesn't give me any confidence in Trump's ability to deal with anything in a thoughtful, well-considered way.

A more useful discussion would be ideas on how to deal with these issues. The election is over and few deny that both candidates left a lot to be desired. So we are facing an existensial threat by two different irresponsible regimes in North Korea and Iran. The ideas of the past presidents have clearly failed. How do you deal with a fully armed North Korea that continues with very provocative rhetoric? What tactics do you deploy in dealing with them. Japan for example claims that they can intercept ICBMS that North Korea is threatening to annihilate Guam with. But the risk of failure has unimaginable costs. Probably one of the few options that needs to be tried would be covert actions with respect to damaging the cyber infrastructure that North Korea uses to control this technology.

[Peter McKillop]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnc2UWA7BPY

Thanks for that interesting link, Sid. I assume your point is that two presidents who were supposedly a lot more intelligent and a lot more knowledgeable about foreign affairs than Trump, still managed, with benefit of hindsight, to make somewhat naive/questionable decisions w.r.t. Iran and North Korea. That may be so but it still doesn't give me any confidence in Trump's ability to deal with anything in a thoughtful, well-considered way.

[Ben Daswani]

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In a new poll, half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it

In other words, half of Republicans want a dictator. These people hate America. They hate the American way of life.

[Ben Daswani]

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In the fall of 1993 I went out to San Francisco to see The Catherine Wheel in concert. San Francisco was the closest they would come to New Mexico and I was deeply enthralled by their "Ferment" LP. Also, a friend of mine had just moved there so I had reasons to go. While I was there my friend put RHP on the car stereo and said "you have got to hear these guys they are more depressing than Joy Division." When he played "Katy Song" I knew I had to get everything I could find of theirs. We parked and walked through Haight Ashbury and went to some of the best record stores in the country. I went home to Albuquerque with "Down Colorful Hill" and "Rollercoaster" the 4AD double vinyl release. "Katy Song" would become one of my favorite songs and a foreshadowing of my life.