Trump - The NEW, New Thread

[Tom O'Donnell]

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"... It is true, of course, that in Germany before 1933, and in Italy before 1922, communists and Nazis or Fascists clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties. They competed for the support of the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. But their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common and whom they could not hope to convince, is the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist, and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits who are made of the right timbre, although they have listened to false prophets, they both know there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom. ..." Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

[Peter McKillop]

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Attaboy Mitt!! Thanks for putting that up, Ben.

[Ben Daswani]

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More propaganda from the alt-left, this time from known communist Mitt Romney:

I will dispense for now from discussion of the moral character of the president's Charlottesville statements. Whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to weep, and the vast heart of America to mourn. His apologists strain to explain that he didn't mean what we heard. But what we heard is now the reality, and unless it is addressed by the president as such, with unprecedented candor and strength, there may commence an unraveling of our national fabric.

The leaders of our branches of military service have spoken immediately and forcefully, repudiating the implications of the president's words. Why? In part because the morale and commitment of our forces--made up and sustained by men and women of all races--could be in the balance. Our allies around the world are stunned and our enemies celebrate; America's ability to help secure a peaceful and prosperous world is diminished. And who would want to come to the aid of a country they perceive as racist if ever the need were to arise, as it did after 9/11?

In homes across the nation, children are asking their parents what this means. Jews, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims are as much a part of America as whites and Protestants. But today they wonder. Where might this lead? To bitterness and tears, or perhaps to anger and violence?

The potential consequences are severe in the extreme. Accordingly, the president must take remedial action in the extreme. He should address the American people, acknowledge that he was wrong, apologize. State forcefully and unequivocally that racists are 100% to blame for the murder and violence in Charlottesville. Testify that there is no conceivable comparison or moral equivalency between the Nazis--who brutally murdered millions of Jews and who hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives to defeat--and the counter-protestors who were outraged to see fools parading the Nazi flag, Nazi armband and Nazi salute. And once and for all, he must definitively repudiate the support of David Duke and his ilk and call for every American to banish racists and haters from any and every association.

This is a defining moment for President Trump. But much more than that, it is a moment that will define America in the hearts of our children. They are watching, our soldiers are watching, the world is watching. Mr. President, act now for the good of the country.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/mittromney/...54652303536121

[Ben Daswani]

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I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It.

It is now clear that we were deluding ourselves.

And some continue to do so.

[Kevin Pacey]

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Fwiw, I'm not sure I'd go this far ("Canada: How the Communists took control"), but the following perhaps is food for thought (at the least it features a juicy contemporary hatchet job on numerous Canadian political figures of old, especially P.E.T.):

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...pol_nwo154.htm

[Duncan Smith]

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What makes you think everyone here is still in Canada? I live in both countries and have for over twenty years. I do see the "true reality" of the US and i like very much what I see. I live in Toronto and Manhattan and i have no problem with "a cutthroat capitalistic city".

I didn't address "everyone" and my point on Toronto is in reference to Kevin's irrational belief that the "left" has already won in Canada.

[Ben Daswani]

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To all the idiots calling me left, stop being idiots. My economics are more right-wing than yours are. I just have a problem with a President who's a racist, a sexist, and so many more despicable things. So does the Bush family. I guess they're also members of the "alt-left" (whatever that means).

[Kevin Pacey]

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Lets not forget giving Omar Khadr and his lawyers over 10 million dollars.

I believe I kind of covered that by mentioning our left-leaning justice system, though perhaps you refer to the alt-left tendency of many Canadian politicians, that's under the guise of so-called political correctness.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Personally I don't recall if I've wrote excessively about US politics myself... I often find it distasteful. I've certainly implied in this thread that I don't trust The Donald to have his finger on THE BUTTON, at the least. However, all that doesn't mean Canada cannot be (at least in theory) so much better than it is, without having to imitate the US even at its best, necessarily. Don't you find it a little ironic poster Ben is to live in the US, not so much because he likes it as it is, but to be a SJW in it, i.e. strive to overturn (some may say undermine) what the US currently is in some respects?

Regarding how the left affects everyday life in Canada after P.E.T., let's see... ever higher taxation, largely left wing bias in media, civil service, powerful unions, justice system and education, elements of our culture/constitution that seem rather socialist (e.g. see links I added to my last post)... as for Toronto, at least the voters there, ever tending to be Liberal (e.g. as 'informed' by The Toronto Red Star) keep voting in the socialist-in-all-but-name provincial Liberal governments we in Ontario have been cursed with for quite some years now.

Lets not forget giving Omar Khadr and his lawyers over 10 million dollars.

[Peter McKillop]

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The Great Trump Double Standard


Donald Trump really felt bad for Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times...

But when it came to the death of 32-year-old Heather Heyer in Charlottesville this past week, at the hands of an alt-right asshole who rammed a car into a crowd, Trump had a very different tune:

"So I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country. A horrible moment. But there are two sides."

I wonder if that's because Heather Heyer was a left-leaning counterprotestor, working against the weekend's "Unite The Right" white supremacy rallies???

Good post, Paul. Last I heard, Trump still had not called Heather Heyer's mother to extend condolences on behalf.of Americans (although Trump, in his usual totally self-absorbed manner, was pleased to note publicly that Heyer's mother had said some nice things about HIM on social media). Also, apparently no one from the White House attended Heyer's funeral. Nice.

[Bob Gillanders]

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Remember Heather Heyer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.e791bed14beb

Reports from PBS Newshour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75dhKMHUXww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRF9ZKHQH00

[Neil Frarey]

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By the way the one economic indicator that is not lagging are the markets, and that happens to be the one indicator that really counts towards a thriving capitalistic economy.

^This is an astute opinion.

I only wonder how many 401Ks have been positively impacted by Trump's first few months in office. 401Ks represent about 50% of the American workforce. I would like to know that number. Is it 80 million people and their families? Perhaps 100 million? The number of folks & their families who enjoy the growth of their saving's plan must be rather impressive!

Personally speaking (and my friends too) we have seen a healthy growth in our market investments! I hope American folks are able to save a little bit more each and every month!

Who said that phrase, you know ... "The Economy, Stupid."?

Whoever it was, they were right!

*****

*It was James Carville ... Bill Clinton's campaign strategist.

[Sid Belzberg]

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Those who are interested in US style politics and economics should move there. Then they can see the true reality of the current day US. There is so much irony when Canadians get on their soap box about the US; why are you living here ? "The left has already won here" is just off and meaningless to life in Canada. Maybe that's Ottawa or Windsor ? It's certainly not Toronto; this city is one of the most cutthroat capitalistic cities in NA.

What makes you think everyone here is still in Canada? I live in both countries and have for over twenty years. I do see the "true reality" of the US and i like very much what I see. I live in Toronto and Manhattan and i have no problem with "a cutthroat capitalistic city".
Thanks to idiotic policies of the US left in the last eight years forget about "cutthroat capitalism", we have to to worry about getting our throats cut period. Freeing up $150 billion dollars to the worlds largest state sponsor of terror that the very country that is at greatest risk vehemently protested is beyond stupidity. Freeing up large piles of Uranium for Putin in exchange for donations to your favorite charity ("your husband's of course!") is beyond disgusting. Did you know that most of that very same Uranium now comes from Kazakhstan and is being sold directly to Iran, for a handsome profit to Putin.A problem that will make NOKO look easy in a few short years from now.
Do you really think Americans enjoyed choosing between a candidate involved in all of the above and then some and a vulgar half senile windbag? This whole issue is not black and white. Anyone that thinks it is is a fool. By the way the one economic indicator that is not lagging are the markets, and that happens to be the one indicator that really counts towards a thriving capitalistic economy.

[Kevin Pacey]

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Those who are interested in US style politics and economics should move there. Then they can see the true reality of the current day US. There is so much irony when Canadians get on their soap box about the US; why are you living here ? "The left has already won here" is just off and meaningless to life in Canada. Maybe that's Ottawa or Windsor ? It's certainly not Toronto; this city is one of the most cutthroat capitalistic cities in NA.

Personally I don't recall if I've wrote excessively about US politics myself... I often find it distasteful. I've certainly implied in this thread that I don't trust The Donald to have his finger on THE BUTTON, at the least. However, all that doesn't mean Canada cannot be (at least in theory) so much better than it is, without having to imitate the US even at its best, necessarily. Don't you find it a little ironic poster Ben is to live in the US, not so much because he likes it as it is, but to be a SJW in it, i.e. strive to overturn (some may say undermine) what the US currently is in some respects?

Regarding how the left affects everyday life in Canada after P.E.T., let's see... ever higher taxation, largely left wing bias in media, civil service, powerful unions, justice system and education, elements of our culture/constitution that seem rather socialist (e.g. see links I added to my last post)... as for Toronto, at least the voters there, ever tending to be Liberal (e.g. as 'informed' by The Toronto Red Star) keep voting in the socialist-in-all-but-name provincial Liberal governments we in Ontario have been cursed with for quite some years now.

[Paul Bonham]

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The Great Trump Double Standard


Donald Trump really felt bad for Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times...

But when it came to the death of 32-year-old Heather Heyer in Charlottesville this past week, at the hands of an alt-right asshole who rammed a car into a crowd, Trump had a very different tune:

"So I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country. A horrible moment. But there are two sides."

I wonder if that's because Heather Heyer was a left-leaning counterprotestor, working against the weekend's "Unite The Right" white supremacy rallies???