Trump - The NEW, New Thread

[Duncan Smith]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Nothing, yet. He has pledged $1,000,000 but has not actually donated a dime yet.
He also pledged $1,000,000 for Hurricane Sandy relief, but donated nothing.

He has a long history of pledging charitable donations for the publicity, but rarely follows up.
Neil, how often are you going to fall for his lies? Seriously, are you so naive?

I will believe his donation for Hurricane Harvey relief when I see it listed on his tax return. :)

Neil obviously is blindly devoted to Trump.

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

How much did President Trump personally donate for those in dire need from hurricane Harvey???

Nothing, yet. He has pledged $1,000,000 but has not actually donated a dime yet.
He also pledged $1,000,000 for Hurricane Sandy relief, but donated nothing.

He has a long history of pledging charitable donations for the publicity, but rarely follows up.
Neil, how often are you going to fall for his lies? Seriously, are you so naive?

I will believe his donation for Hurricane Harvey relief when I see it listed on his tax return. :)

[Neil Frarey]

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Neil, if you want to give Trump all the credit for what the stock market is doing then, to be fair, you have to allow previous presidents the same credit. Consider the following Dow Jones closings:

January 20, 2009: 7,949
January 18, 2013: 13,649
January 20, 2017: 19,827

So if Obama, using your reasoning, deserves all the credit for increasing the DJIA by a factor of 1.72 during his first term, then shouldn't the DJIA have to increase to (19,827 x 1.72 =) 34,102 before Trump can claim that his first-term economic performance equals Obama's? So, Neil, give us all a shout when the DJIA passes 34,000 so that we can all prepare to act impressed. Until then....

How much did President Obama personally donate for those in dire need from hurricane Katrina???

Um, 0$

How much did President Trump personally donate for those in dire need from hurricane Harvey???

Um, 1,000,000.00$

Contrast?

But hey at least your kind got to some more typical Obama talking points like:

“I wish I could just write a check.”

Why didn't Obama just do it? Why?

You're done, Peter. Get over it.

*****

Here's some numbers from your Clinton News Network:

Jobs ... The unemployment rate is 4.3%, a 16-year low. The economy has added more than 1 million jobs since Trump took office.

Stocks ... undeniable win for the president. Fears of a market collapse under Trump have proved to be misguided.

The Dow keeps hitting records and is up 12% this year. Profits for the companies in the S&P 500 are up more than 10% from a year ago.


Seriously Peter, give the guy some credit. CNN does ... or is that just some more fake news?

What part of unemployment 16 year low & Dow hitting record highs ... don't you understand?


This is getting too easy ...next?

[Duncan Smith]

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Neil, if you want to give Trump all the credit for what the stock market is doing then, to be fair, you have to allow previous presidents the same credit. Consider the following Dow Jones closings:

January 20, 2009: 7,949
January 18, 2013: 13,649
January 20, 2017: 19,827

So if Obama, using your reasoning, deserves all the credit for increasing the DJIA by a factor of 1.72 during his first term, then shouldn't the DJIA have to increase to (19,827 x 1.72 =) 34,102 before Trump can claim that his first-term economic performance equals Obama's? So, Neil, give us all a shout when the DJIA passes 34,000 so that we can all prepare to act impressed. Until then....

Appealing logically with data to Frarey is a complete waste of time. He's all about branding and selling concepts like Trump is. If Trump sees news that sounds positive he takes credit for it; anything negative it's somebody else's fault. If Frarey can't see that I have to question his ability to think critically about anything.

[Peter McKillop]

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By what metric?

By the metric of personal generosity whilst in office he is the greatest president of all time. ....

Stacy Lewis just won the LPGA tournament in Portland and donated her $195,000 in prize money to Harvey relief. According to the internet, Stacy's net worth is approx. $10,000,000. If Trump had donated to Harvey relief in the same proportion relative to his net worth as Stacy did, he would have donated $68,500,000. Hopefully what Trump did will encourage a lot of people to help Harvey's victims. Who knows, maybe Trump's donation inspired Stacy Lewis. But "the greatest president of all time" for a donation which didn't cause him much pain financially? Don't think so.

[Lucas Davies]

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https://twitter.com/Breznican/status/898586524874186753

Damn, this stuff sounds pretty familiar. Really makes you think, doesn't it?

Full interview: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watc...-1026775107752

I'll just quote this again since I don't think that Neil saw it the first time.

[Peter McKillop]

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By what metric?

By the metric of personal generosity whilst in office he is the greatest president of all time. By unemployment metric he is better than the previous two. By fewer people on food stamps better again! Perhaps wealth created in 401ks with record high stock markets? That's a lot of money for a lot of folks! Again, better! Deregulation since Reagan? As an example ... pipeline that benefits Canada too? Perhaps bringing back new billion dollar auto plants? Border security?

Want me to go on???

By what metric is he a terrible president? Oh I know, by the Bob G., Peter McKillop, Paul Bonham metric. Yeppers, you got me there! He might not ever be canonized.

This is too much fun!

Which US president has given 1 million dollars of his own money to help those in need???

Who?


Class dismissed.

Neil, if you want to give Trump all the credit for what the stock market is doing then, to be fair, you have to allow previous presidents the same credit. Consider the following Dow Jones closings:

January 20, 2009: 7,949
January 18, 2013: 13,649
January 20, 2017: 19,827

So if Obama, using your reasoning, deserves all the credit for increasing the DJIA by a factor of 1.72 during his first term, then shouldn't the DJIA have to increase to (19,827 x 1.72 =) 34,102 before Trump can claim that his first-term economic performance equals Obama's? So, Neil, give us all a shout when the DJIA passes 34,000 so that we can all prepare to act impressed. Until then....

[Peter McKillop]

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A fun tweet to look back on: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...25268529815552

Thanks for a good laugh, Lucas. My favourite response to Trump's moronic tweet:

*"I have to admit, your commitment to being on the wrong side of every issue is admirable"

[Lucas Davies]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

A fun tweet to look back on: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...25268529815552

[Peter McKillop]

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Thanks for sharing that, John.

[Sam Sharpe]

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In a democracy, people do not always get the government they need, but they always get the one they deserve.

[John Coleman]

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Someone called Edwin Castro writes:

No president can do everything right. The job is just too big for any one person to handle. Trump's anger, his vindictiveness, his jealousy and sheer sense of malice only makes his predecessors look better. Trump is too small, too petty for the job. I'm not talking hand size, I'm talking about spirit. Heart. He has none. That's the tragedy of this. America has survived 2 World Wars, slavery, domestic terrorism, riots, Jim Crow, McCarthyism, the Great Depression, the Great Recession, 9/11, assassinations, a civil war, Vietnam and Watergate but America could be brought down by Trump.

"Nobody knew health care was so complicated."
"I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me."
"When you're a star, they let you do it. Grab em by the p***y, you can do anything."
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose any votes."
“I know words. I have the best words.”

Trump is what happens when arrogance, incompetence, ignorance, bluster, and a lifelong lack of accountability, coupled with an endless series of enablers, gains power and we will all pay for it. A man like Donald Trump should never have made it this far. There is far more to being president than the title. A leader takes responsibility for their mistakes. A leader leads by example, not by meaningless, hollow words. A leader is someone who doesn't deceive, deflect and distract from the truth. A leader works to reduce people's suffering instead of intentionally inflicting it. A leader lifts people up instead of putting them down. A leader tries to unite people for the common good, rather than divide them with petty, hateful rhetoric. A leader has empathy and does not ridicule, disparage or humiliate others just to feed their own ego.

Donald Trump is not strong, noble, honest, honorable, humble, compassionate, generous, or caring. As a human being, he has none of these qualities and he never will. He isn’t capable of it. Donald Trump is an aberration. He may have the title but he should never be considered a leader. I disagreed with Obama on several issues but I genuinely believed he was trying to do good. He was a man. He was smart, compassionate, decent and utterly confident in himself and his abilities and it showed. I don't believe he did everything right. No politician can solve every problem they face in such a complex world. It’s impossible. I do think that he at least tried to leave the country better than he found it. You may disagree with that, that is entirely your right. Trump is the exact opposite and it is utterly demoralizing. I’m tired of feeling so tired.

I've no idea who Edwin Castro is.

[Peter McKillop]

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"..... Strangers rescuing strangers.... that's wealth.

Absolutely bang on, Paul!!

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...=Mark+12:41-44

Kudos for a fantastic reply to Neil.

Neil is focused on absolute money amounts. He doesn't understand relativity, i.e. that a million dollars to Trump is like 2 bucks to the vast majority of America.

Neil is not making any headway in influencing CFC membership to his views, and his support of Trump and his reasoning for that is only hurting his overall goals.

[Lucas Davies]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

On Thursday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters that President Trump would donate $1 million of his “personal money” to Hurricane Harvey victims. But on Friday, she wasn’t so sure.

Asked by a reporter if she knew whether Trump’s donation would be “coming from his own money or from the Trump Foundation,” Sanders dodged.

“I haven’t had a chance to do that,” she said, suggesting she hadn’t yet had a chance to ask the president where the money would be coming from.

During the campaign, reporting by the Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold and others demonstrated that Trump treated his foundation — which he hadn’t personally donated to since 2008 — like a personal expense account. Trump was also shown to have repeatedly exaggerated his giving.

The Smoking Gun dubbed Trump “The .00013% Man” for his “paltry” charitable giving. During Trump’s Apprentice days, donations he claimed would be coming out of his own pocket were in fact made by his foundation.

If Trump does indeed donate his “personal money” to Harvey victims, it’d represent a break from the pattern he established since the time of his last donation to the Trump Foundation in 2008. As Fahrenthold reported just days before the election, Trump’s “personal giving has almost disappeared entirely in recent years.”

“After calling 420-plus charities with some connection to Trump, The Post found only one personal gift from Trump between 2008 and the spring of this year,” Fahrenthold added. “That was a gift to the Police Athletic League of New York City, in 2009. It was worth less than $10,000.”

MAGA! JOBS! STOCK MARKET RECORD HIGHS!

https://thinkprogress.org/white-hous...1cf5e6dd6/amp/