Trump - The NEW, New Thread

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Bernie Sanders - Health Care Plan for all Americans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/o...tion%2Fopinion

[Peter McKillop]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Thank goodness for people like Rex Tillerson who know how to do the right thing when Trump doesn't have a clue:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...id=mailsignout

[Neil Frarey]

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Bernie Sanders will be introducing his Healthcare for all plan tomorrow with a dozen or so Democratic co-sponsors.
A plan that will be a whole lot more popular than the brutal Republican plan that failed recently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.b14a6b64f136

If Trump wants to really boost his ratings, he should get behind Bernie's plan.

I defer to republican senator (and licensed MD) Rand Paul for all things healthcare. He and Trump don't quite see eye-to-eye ...I sure hope this gets under control right quick.

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Bernie Sanders will be introducing his Healthcare for all plan tomorrow with a dozen or so Democratic co-sponsors.
A plan that will be a whole lot more popular than the brutal Republican plan that failed recently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.b14a6b64f136

If Trump wants to really boost his ratings, he should get behind Bernie's plan.

[Neil Frarey]

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Tonight Trump hosts a working dinner. So, what's for dinner?

Swamp critters!!!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-house-dinner

The symbolism is unmistakable ... The Donald is serving up the swamp. This, after his rating approval surges upward!

MAGA!

[Bob Gillanders]

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Bob, just as a word of advice, don't use weather as evidence of climate change. This is a trap too many climate change supporters and deniers fall into. In this example, last year one could have used the lack of significant hurricanes as evidence against climate change. Did the cool, wet summer in Ontario mean climate change is not real?

You have to use long term changes over years/decades to support climate change. Sea ice levels in the arctic make for good evidence. Rising sea levels are another. Individual hurricanes don't.

Thanks Garland, you are correct. There are lots of faulty analysis on the web that confuses weather with climate. You do not see credible climate scientists claiming climate change is the cause of Harvey or Irma. We have had hurricanes long before man-made climate change. Climate change science does predict that hurricanes will become more frequent and severe. Is that not exactly what we are seeing?

[Bob Gillanders]

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Also what is the current status of the disastrous ozone hole? Where did it go?

Somewhat better, last I heard, the holes had diminished significantly. Go ahead, do some research yourself.
The improvements are due to international agreements that limited the use of various gases causing the problem.
Proof that global solutions can help solve our environmental problems.

[Bob Gillanders]

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Hi Bob,

I wonder if you have read about Milankovic Cycles. This is completely valid and topical science, and also uses ice-core data as a support. This ice-core data would place us smack in the middle of an Ice Age (3,000 years overdue in fact). Maybe this is worth looking into.

I see you are doing some research on the topic. Good for you. Yes, I did read about Milankovic Cycles, and much much more. It is several years ago now, but I did spend considerable time researching climate change. I did visit many websites. I listened to the arguments on both sides with an open mind, and there was considerable debate, lots and lots of good and false information out there. I eventually concluded that climate change was real and man-made. I was convinced 100% then, and everything since has reinforced my conclusion. It may take you some time to be convinced, but enjoy the journey. I would direct you to one youtuber, potholer54. I found his series of videos to be very useful and entertaining. No doubt there will some skeptics who will claim he is a quack, but make up your own mind.

[Bob Gillanders]

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O ... M ... G! omg omg!!! So, you [a.k.a.'us'] are beginning to see the value of having a billionaire businessman as president eh?

O...M...G... omg!!! NO. You really should read the entire post, not just the tidbits you like. Typical.
There are some great youtube videos of Former Mexican President Fox slamming Trump.
Just saw them this morning, so funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukv9v7IGZw

[Neil Frarey]

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Hold onto your pom pom's Neil, I am going to say something nice about Trump, sort of.
Well done Donald, I agree with the deal he struck with the Democrats. He got funding for Harvey relief and raised the debt ceiling, Good.
Let's hope he continues to work with the Democrats to achieve some of his more popular goals. But it is just as likely he did the deal just to spite Ryan and McConnell, but I'll take it.
And Neil, every time you add MAGA to your posts, isn't that just blatant cheerleading for Trump? I'm just saying.

But let's keep it real: Trump is still a loathsome creature, unfit for the office.

Tax reform - sure okay, unless it just becomes a giveaway to the rich and balloons the debt.
Infrastructure spending - yes, absolutely.

With all these hurricanes - will Trump finally accept that climate change is real?
Probably a bridge too far. But we can hope!

O ... M ... G! omg omg!!! So, you [a.k.a.'us'] are beginning to see the value of having a billionaire businessman as president eh? Good! Trump just realized how to deal with the swamp! 3 month extension - no biggy - but getting that much need cash for hurricane relief was yuuge! Interesting to note the Katrina relief is somewhere at 13 billion. So what Trump got was just a partial. And then there's an alphabet of hurricanes looming just over the horizon. And consider this, Bob G., now that he has pissed off the top brass of the GOP think of how much more plausible impeachment has just become!

Margin note: I had the great opportunity to help in raising funds for hurricane Sandy's relief effort, humbling experience.

So ya, Trump will never be canonized. But having said that was Bill Clinton fit for office?

MAGA! An expression formerly used by both Clinton (Bill) and Reagan!

No biggy.

MAGA!

[Peter McKillop]

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Chelsea Handler weighs in: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ch...rticle/2633687

[Garland Best]

Re: Trump - The NEW, New Thread

Bob, just as a word of advice, don't use weather as evidence of climate change. This is a trap too many climate change supporters and deniers fall into. In this example, last year one could have used the lack of significant hurricanes as evidence against climate change. Did the cool, wet summer in Ontario mean climate change is not real?

You have to use long term changes over years/decades to support climate change. Sea ice levels in the arctic make for good evidence. Rising sea levels are another. Individual hurricanes don't.

[Mavros Whissell]

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Hold onto your pom pom's Neil, I am going to say something nice about Trump, sort of.
Well done Donald, I agree with the deal he struck with the Democrats. He got funding for Harvey relief and raised the debt ceiling, Good.
Let's hope he continues to work with the Democrats to achieve some of his more popular goals. But it is just as likely he did the deal just to spite Ryan and McConnell, but I'll take it.
And Neil, every time you add MAGA to your posts, isn't that just blatant cheerleading for Trump? I'm just saying.

But let's keep it real: Trump is still a loathsome creature, unfit for the office.

Tax reform - sure okay, unless it just becomes a giveaway to the rich and balloons the debt.
Infrastructure spending - yes, absolutely.

With all these hurricanes - will Trump finally accept that climate change is real?
Probably a bridge too far. But we can hope!

Hi Bob,

I wonder if you have read about Milankovic Cycles. This is completely valid and topical science, and also uses ice-core data as a support. This ice-core data would place us smack in the middle of an Ice Age (3,000 years overdue in fact). Maybe this is worth looking into.

I think it is impossible to deny some anthropogenic influence, but what if that influence tilted us in the direction of being able to inhabit the planet? My guess: it is easier to survive with the current weather conditions, as atrocious as they may be (re: warming of the Gulf of Mexico supplying necessary energy to turn tropical storms into hurricanes) versus surviving an ice age. The ice age is a much greater danger, and consider events like significant volcanic eruptions, which can easily push us in the direction of global cooling.

As of now CO2 is completely saturated in the atmosphere, so adding more CO2 leads to precipitate on some grand scale. Much more dangerous is the thought of clathrates melting in ice sheets, since methane is not yet saturated in the environment.

Also what is the current status of the disastrous ozone hole? Where did it go?

Perhaps not all climate change is as bad as it looks in this geological perspective.

Mavros

[Bob Gillanders]

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Trump's happy, Dem's happy, Republicans not so much happy ... Ryan and McConnell have been put on notice.

Hold onto your pom pom's Neil, I am going to say something nice about Trump, sort of.
Well done Donald, I agree with the deal he struck with the Democrats. He got funding for Harvey relief and raised the debt ceiling, Good.
Let's hope he continues to work with the Democrats to achieve some of his more popular goals. But it is just as likely he did the deal just to spite Ryan and McConnell, but I'll take it.
And Neil, every time you add MAGA to your posts, isn't that just blatant cheerleading for Trump? I'm just saying.

But let's keep it real: Trump is still a loathsome creature, unfit for the office.

Tax reform - sure okay, unless it just becomes a giveaway to the rich and balloons the debt.
Infrastructure spending - yes, absolutely.

With all these hurricanes - will Trump finally accept that climate change is real?
Probably a bridge too far. But we can hope!

[Peter McKillop]

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Just replying to Peter's individual post - I am no longer following this thread.

There is a truly terrible situation going on right now, where illegal immigrants are afraid to come forward in the Houston flood - and remain living/hiding in dangerous conditions. At a time like this, mercy is not only applicable, but should overcome the law if the law doesn't make room for it. All life is precious. I don't care if the democrats are being opportunistic about their immigration policies in this situation, the value of life should come first, and leniency of some sort should be the mandate so these people can come forward to get help without fear of being reported. I hope this is being considered. I know both parties are working together on funding, but funding isn't everything here (thought it is clearly critical).

I agree. Well said, Mavros.