Controversial Finish To Canadian Championship

[Mavros Whissell]

Re: Controversial Finish To Canadian Championship

Further to this, sadly watch Bator calmly put the Queen back down after the arbiters had already jumped in. He puts it back very carefully, very gingerly.

I think Sid and some others correctly point this out as the most damning point of evidence. Regardless if it is on purpose or not, it does not seem fair. It also seems like the arbiters failed terribly.

I think between the hiding of the queen, intentional or not, plus only putting it back after the fact is bad news for Sambuev.

Nikolai has a very serious argument here.

[Mavros Whissell]

Re: Controversial Finish To Canadian Championship

Your second point is incorrect. I didn't count the number of moves but Bator held a black bishop in his left hand, below table level, for a long time, and then he held a pawn and the bishop for two or three moves before placing both of them on the table. Lots of people, including me, absent-mindedly hang onto captured pieces. I think where Bator went wrong was in 'pulling a Sammy Reshevsky' and not speaking up to let the arbiter know that Nikolay couldn't find his queen because he (Bator) had it in his hand.

As for "evil" - what are you talking about?

Look at the whole video Peter. From 9:49-12:46 Bator has only one piece in his hand and it is the Black Queen. It is hidden under the table in his hand. Everything else is above the table and visible.

I'm not going to give out the pop culture reference if you haven't seen it regarding "evil" :)

[Peter McKillop]

Re: Controversial Finish To Canadian Championship

I am not remotely a Noritsyn fan.

But fair play is something I am a big believer in - and a lot of people think that is just another avenue to use to cheat against. I have two questions (since I'm not going to go through the already large thread about this - I apologize if someone hit on these already).

1. How much money was decided by this one game?
2. Does anybody think its relevant that the only time Bator kept his hand under the table the whole game was for several minutes while holding the queen?

I think if there are other recorded games you could look at if Bator keeps his hands under the table with pieces to check if this is unusual or just par for the course.

What amazes me about the arbiter is he was so very fast to interrupt Nikolai's promotion to a queen/rook, but not fast enough to bring forth an extra queen.

Unfortunately, imaging Bator is an evil mastermind (unlikely), I still don't know if intent means anything here.

Evil, actually. Dr. Sambuev Evil.

Mavros

I am not remotely a Noritsyn fan.

But fair play is something I am a big believer in - and a lot of people think that is just another avenue to use to cheat against. I have two questions (since I'm not going to go through the already large thread about this - I apologize if someone hit on these already).

1. How much money was decided by this one game?
2. Does anybody think its relevant that the only time Bator kept his hand under the table the whole game was for several minutes while holding the queen?

I think if there are other recorded games you could look at if Bator keeps his hands under the table with pieces to check if this is unusual or just par for the course.

What amazes me about the arbiter is he was so very fast to interrupt Nikolai's promotion to a queen/rook, but not fast enough to bring forth an extra queen.

Unfortunately, imaging Bator is an evil mastermind (unlikely), I still don't know if intent means anything here.

Evil, actually. Dr. Sambuev Evil.

Mavros

Your second point is incorrect. I didn't count the number of moves but Bator held a black bishop in his left hand, below table level, for a long time, and then he held a pawn and the bishop for two or three moves before placing both of them on the table. Lots of people, including me, absent-mindedly hang onto captured pieces. I think where Bator went wrong was in 'pulling a Sammy Reshevsky' and not speaking up to let the arbiter know that Nikolay couldn't find his queen because he (Bator) had it in his hand.

As for "evil" - what are you talking about?

[Mavros Whissell]

Re: Controversial Finish To Canadian Championship

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I am not remotely a Noritsyn fan.

But fair play is something I am a big believer in - and a lot of people think that is just another avenue to use to cheat against. I have two questions (since I'm not going to go through the already large thread about this - I apologize if someone hit on these already).

1. How much money was decided by this one game?
2. Does anybody think its relevant that the only time Bator kept his hand under the table the whole game was for several minutes while holding the queen?

I think if there are other recorded games you could look at if Bator keeps his hands under the table with pieces to check if this is unusual or just par for the course.

What amazes me about the arbiter is he was so very fast to interrupt Nikolai's promotion to a queen/rook, but not fast enough to bring forth an extra queen.

Unfortunately, imaging Bator is an evil mastermind (unlikely), I still don't know if intent means anything here.

Evil, actually. Dr. Sambuev Evil.

Mavros

[Taylor Waite]

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