Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

[John Coleman]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

John you need to realize that we have lost our country it ain't Canada anymore. I support the Canadian Indians not the Immigrants.

I see what you mean, John. I've been here only 51 years, and my wife has been here only 54 years. Newcomers, aren't we?

[Kerry Liles]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

John you need to realize that we have lost our country it ain't Canada anymore. I support the Canadian Indians not the Immigrants.

OMG. Is this 2017 or 1217? some sort of Dark Ages.

Canada has been built through the tremendous contribution of many millions of immigrants - from England, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Japan, Vietnam, China (who the hell do you think built the railway?) the French etc.

By "immigrants" it seems very clear you are implying a specific limited subset of immigrants (I won't bother speculating the exact subset, but your veiled references to "face coverings" seems to be a gigantic hint.
If that is where you are going with this you stop right now.

There are real Canadians and they are NOT to be divided somehow into "real" and "virtual" Canadians in some arbitrary and bigoted fashion.

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

To do “the right thing” conscience sacrifices itself and duty sacrifices others. A little forethought saves everyone, but forethought is a rarity.
Despite the decision against Mr. Noritsyn, which was expected, there is much in the rulings that is favorable to his case.
If FIDE sets the rules is it responsible for the conditions of the contest? If FIDE claims no responsibility why do their rules apply? It appears they influenced the Appeals Committee.
In the meanwhile if a new FIDE rule states that ‘players are not to hold onto pieces’ that would add strength to Mr. Noritsyn’s cause if he wanted to pursue the matter civilly. Why pick on a little organization like the CFC when FIDE is the bigger fish?

The real truth of this came out earlier, from the CFC President himself: his personal "political capital" with FIDE was on the line. Even if he said "the CFC's political capital was on the line", one needn't be a rocket scientist to realize it all goes directly to the President. The arbiters were told by Vlad that they had to make a decision quickly, for "expediency". Who knows what else they were told? Perhaps that they would be a "laughingstock" if they allowed the appeal and ruled in Nikolay's favor, as Vlad posted here?

In chess as in the Antarctica, things change very very slowly. But hey, the Larsen C ice shelf, the size of Delaware, just broke away from the Antarctica!

Delaware just happens to be the state of registry of my company, that will ultimately upset the FIDE applecart and open new vistas for chessplayers and organizers around the world who can take off their blinders and see beyond standard chess. Coincidence?

[Jason Manley]

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As loath as I am to dive into this, I'll bite. Islam is a religion, not a nationality. There can be Islamic Canadians just as there can be Christian Canadians, Jewish Canadians, Buddhist Canadians, Hindu Canadians, and Canadians of no religious position at all. For some religions, their beliefs include traditional garments, and these can be very important to these people, as aspects of other religions are important to their practitioners. As Canada is a nation which has religious freedom as one of its building blocks, the religious choices of each resident of Canada should be respected, unless they would specifically bring harm to anyone. A woman choosing to wear the traditional garment of her religion has no bearing on whether she is Canadian or not.

The mention of how Iran determines its citizenship shouldn't have any bearing on what constitutes a Canadian or not either. We don't live in Iran, we live in Canada. They are two very different countries. For one thing, Iran has a state religion, while Canada is a secular nation. That in itself explains the difference between how people are expected to comport themselves in public in Iran and Canada.

[John Brown]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

John, John. Have a nice cup of tea, take your medication, and lie down for a while.

John you need to realize that we have lost our country it ain't Canada anymore. I support the Canadian Indians not the Immigrants.

[John Coleman]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

John, John. Have a nice cup of tea, take your medication, and lie down for a while.

[John Brown]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

Well I guess you forgot that the Europeans robbed the natives, took their lands and put them on reservations. You should wake up to reality.
Mackenzie King was the first Canadian Citizen he created that . Before that there were no real Canadians except Indians. So unless you are born in Canada you are not a Canadian you are a Canadian Citizen. So you are saying that any Canadian Citizen is a Canadian. So why did a Muslim born Woman refuse to remove her face covering . Is she a Canadian or a Muslim? She wanted to be a Canadian But I wear no face covering. However If I was a woman I wanted to work in a Muslim country I'd have to wear their garb. I worked for a woman and she worked in Iran as a nurse, If she did not wear the garb she could not work but she was never able to apply for Iran citizenship.
Citzenship is a term not a birth origin.

[Jason Manley]

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This is a ridiculous idea. I have a cousin who was raised in Canada his whole life, born to Canadian parents, but his actual birth happened in New Zealand. as my aunt and uncle were there briefly at the time of his birth. By your suggestion he would be unable to compete in a Canadian Championship.

There's a ready-made standard for who should be able to compete in a Canadian Championship: Canadian citizens. If it's good enough for the Government of Canada, it should be good enough for the Chess Federation of Canada.

[John Brown]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

we could call it. Born only Canadian championship.

[John Brown]

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Are you seriously proposing that persons that immigrate to Canada be ineligible to compete for the Canadian Championship? Even if they have Canadian Citizenship?

Please tell me you are trolling. You don't even have to be Canadian born to be Prime Minister of Canada. This sort of statement belongs with Kelly Leitch and the Proud Boys.

Yes Garland I believe even Canadian Indian not east Indian and every person WHO was born in Canada should compete in a Canadian Championship. Is a Canadian Citizen really a Canadian born person. I say NO. It reminds me of a Hockey player (I believe whose wife gave birth in Switzerland and they said they were not Swiss so their baby was not born there). I'm sick of people saying they are Canadian and when I ask them if there was a war would you fight for Canada and they say Hell no I'm born in another country. Why would I fight for Canada. People come to Canada to suck us dry with our freebies. If you don't think so then go to the countries these people come from and try to change their polices . You'd be jailed at bare minimum.

[Garland Best]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

Are you seriously proposing that persons that immigrate to Canada be ineligible to compete for the Canadian Championship? Even if they have Canadian Citizenship?

Please tell me you are trolling. You don't even have to be Canadian born to be Prime Minister of Canada. This sort of statement belongs with Kelly Leitch and the Proud Boys.

[John Brown]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

I think if the CFC wants a Canadian Championship then just let Canadian Born play in it. We will then get a Canadian Champion. Or Just let GM's Play and then we will get what the CFC and Fide wants .

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

One more funny moment - the arbiter tried to stop the clock - and he failed. Bator stopped the clock.... However he did not ask for any assistance from the arbiter LOL
Now we can image that NN who was probably on higher level of stress and would fail to stop the clock too, and would forfeit on time.

[Tom O'Donnell]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

FIDE has a responsibility to all federation members, not just the CFC. I imagine that FIDE wants to firm up the composition of the World Cup as quickly as possible, if only to allow participants time to prepare. Pairings are based on the ratings of the participants (e.g. in round one: 1 v 128, 2 v 127, etc.).

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: Resolution of appeal to NAC on the matter of Canadian Closed playoff

To do “the right thing” conscience sacrifices itself and duty sacrifices others. A little forethought saves everyone, but forethought is a rarity.
Despite the decision against Mr. Noritsyn, which was expected, there is much in the rulings that is favorable to his case.
If FIDE sets the rules is it responsible for the conditions of the contest? If FIDE claims no responsibility why do their rules apply? It appears they influenced the Appeals Committee.
In the meanwhile if a new FIDE rule states that ‘players are not to hold onto pieces’ that would add strength to Mr. Noritsyn’s cause if he wanted to pursue the matter civilly. Why pick on a little organization like the CFC when FIDE is the bigger fish?

A couple of points.
1) I am sure that the FIDE World Cup has provisions for the eventuality that if a country's designated player falls ill or for other reasons can't attend an event that a substitute name can be submitted. So by all means submit a name by the deadline but it is highly unlikely that the name submitted can't be changed after the deadline for all kinds of reasons.
2)Some members of the NAC complained that Nikolay did not request a remedy and yet no one contacted him to get answers to this question....why???? The most simple remedy given that all three parties erorred, all though I would view Nickolay's as a force majeure given the conditions made it impossible for him to comply with stopping the clock (no time to look for the queen or even spend time fidgeting with how to stop the clock) would be to annul the game result entirely as if it never happened and have a new game. I have serious reservations about Bator's silence after the arbiter pointed out the availability of the queen but can't prove that it was intentional.
What I do know is intentionally or not Bator broke rules that led to Nikolay's demise and the arbiter representing enforcing a ruling based on information that later was proved to be incorrect.
3) Precedents have already been set by the NAC and FIDE for overturning the result of a game after the fact so this would not be a problem.


The NAC and the CFC errored in the process of not contacting Nikolay as represented to him would be the case and part of their decision was based on complaining that they did not have enough info from him such as a requested remedy.
Nikolay has strong grounds for a civil lawsuit but hopefully cooler minds at the CFC would prevail and simply have a rematch of the last game and annul the previous game entirely including the NAC's ruling that did not follow the procedure expected by the CFC as represented to Nikolay. This way everyone saves face and basically blames no one.