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It's the World f-ing Cup and you can't even bother putting on a pair of pants? And then you'll complain there's not enough money in chess? Seriously?
Tiger Woods would be thrown out of a tournament if he didn't comply with the dress code.
That is not the point of this discussion. The point is that the current rules specifically allow Bermuda Shorts and that the arbiter was wrong to threaten a fine. Many would agree that any kind of shorts are inappropriate attire at this level of competition and that the existing rules should be changed, but that is a different discussion.
In golf there actually is a formal dress code, not just whatever the tournament organizer feels like. It's fine to have a dress code, and I think there should be one, but it should be transparent and consistently enforced. If you look at the pictures of the other players, some are wearing tracksuits, jeans, hoodies, t-shirts, and so on. Why should a pair of shorts be that big a deal? It's not like Kovalyov had a disheveled appearance or something - he was just dressed casually as were many of the other players.
If you want to be a pro, dress like a pro. Fischer understood that. Kasparov, too. Both are among the greatest GMs ever. And the FIDE didn't tell them how to dress.
If you don't feel like playing chess in front of the cameras, don't bother showing up. Plenty of guys are willing and able to take your spot.
Here is an interesting piece about Zurab's history, he is a thug just like his boss Kirsan. I absolutely believe every word Anton said is true. The CFC and other federations supported a known thug (who naturally has other thugs on his team) these are the horrible consequences that chess fans and players now deal with,... the fall out from chess federations idiotic support of thugs. http://danailov-for-president.com/?p=3339
Thanks for the link, Sid!
Wasn't really surprised to read:
The elections in Tromso were extremely dirty; the fight was about life or death. Nowadays, Makro&friends have invented a modern “legal” form of bribery. Many years ago they simply paid off the votes of the delegates in cash, but today it is different.
Today they offer official financial “aid” to the federations through “FIDE Commerce” or similar companies in Dubai if they vote for the “right candidate” The package in Tromso was $60,000 of federation aid if they voted for Kirsan and Azmaiparashvili for FIDE and ECU respectively.
*****
The Chess Federation of Canada too was bought and paid for?!
And where is the CFC's missing $60,000.00???
Drkulec ...such a FIDE clown.
Last edited by Neil Frarey; Saturday, 9th September, 2017, 10:01 PM.
What do I think? I couldn't be less surprised that FIDE acted in the most ridiculous way possible. Maybe Anton should have dressed more formally, but this is the kind of thing that is very easy to handle. How it escalates to this is typical FIDE bungling.
Gm. Anton Kovalyev should have dressed more formally anyway, according to the accepted FIDE code of dressing and would be able to avoid such a situation.
Gm. Anton Kovalyev should have dressed more formally anyway, according to the accepted FIDE code of dressing and would be able to avoid such a situation.
In this case, the real lost and hurt is suffered by CHESS our beloved game. Without this incident who knows how beautiful game would have been played? And we would have instead of discussions and arguments...a nice new gem to share in the history of chess.
Last edited by Caesar Posylek; Thursday, 14th September, 2017, 02:57 PM.
Gm. Anton Kovalyev should have dressed more formally anyway, according to the accepted FIDE code of dressing and would be able to avoid such a situation.
OK, I'm not the only one thinking that a GM should show a little bit of decorum at the World Cup, where he's gonna earn upwards of 10k$. If you want a sponsor to pay for your appereance, you have to appear within a certain set of criteria. Showing up with shorts at the World Cup should be an automatic no-no.
You just beat Anand? You're the story of the day? Journalists are gonna be there tomorrow to take pictures of you... Yeah sure, let's rock the good old shorts and pretend it's just another Saturday...
If you want to be a pro, dress like a pro. Fischer understood that. Kasparov, too. Both are among the greatest GMs ever. And the FIDE didn't tell them how to dress.
If you don't feel like playing chess in front of the cameras, don't bother showing up. Plenty of guys are willing and able to take your spot.
I don't disagree with this, but:
1- Kovalyov wasn't the only one dressed casually - Bu was wearing a hoodie, Ding a tracksuit, Grischuk a T-shirt and jeans, etc. Why specifically target someone for wearing shorts?
2- Even if there is a no-shorts rule, it wasn't consistently enforced even within the tournament.
3- Regardless of whether you think wearing shorts should be a violation, the way it was handled in this case was inappropriate. They could have given him a warning, they could have allowed him 30 minutes to go buy a pair of pants.
I don't disagree with this, but:
1- Kovalyov wasn't the only one dressed casually - Bu was wearing a hoodie, Ding a tracksuit, Grischuk a T-shirt and jeans, etc. Why specifically target someone for wearing shorts?
2- Even if there is a no-shorts rule, it wasn't consistently enforced even within the tournament.
3- Regardless of whether you think wearing shorts should be a violation, the way it was handled in this case was inappropriate. They could have given him a warning, they could have allowed him 30 minutes to go buy a pair of pants.
The other possibility is to allow his opponent easily go thru this round and advance to the next one. Anton eliminated in the previous round GM.V.Anand as well.
Last edited by Caesar Posylek; Sunday, 10th September, 2017, 10:13 AM.
The association of chess professionals has put out a protest letter that leaves open the possibility of Chess Federations getting involved. One approach is to boycott FIDE and start an entirely new organization. I know exactly where there would be millions of dollars of funding available for such an undertaking. It is criminal that a young man who spent a lifetime perfecting his craft is forced to forfeit the game of his lifetime even though he had not broken any regulations at all! It was impossible for him to comply with the demand of the organizer and still make it back to play his game in time.
FIDE is an organization run by thugs and the time has come to end the abuse. http://www.chessprofessionals.org/content/acp-protests
The association of chess professionals has put out a protest letter that leaves open the possibility of Chess Federations getting involved. One approach is to boycott FIDE and start an entirely new organization. I know exactly where there would be millions of dollars of funding available for such an undertaking. It is criminal that a young man who spent a lifetime perfecting his craft is forced to forfeit the game of his lifetime even though he had not broken any regulations at all! It was impossible for him to comply with the demand of the organizer and still make it back to play his game in time.
FIDE is an organization run by thugs and the time has come to end the abuse. http://www.chessprofessionals.org/content/acp-protests
This brings up some questions. Can the world of pro chess handle two "official" organizations? There isn't much money to go around as it is, and not much money pouring in from sponsors. A new organization would have to convince potential sponsors that something big is happening, and that a break from FIDE will open the floodgates of world interest.
I have some ideas on how this can happen. A new organization would require some new thoughts about chess. Turn plain vanilla "chess" into a newly branded product (as one possibility, "ChessEx", where "Ex" means "Extended"). Include a few new variants where the game becomes more like poker, that is, the game becomes a mixture of luck and skill so that lesser skilled can occassionally win. This allows a larger % of chess players to actually earn a living from chess, and the variants I have in mind that I have invented for this purpose would not have as much variance as poker...
...wow, two words that sound exactly the same but have different spellings and meanings: "variants" and "variance" and both are relevant here!!!...
This kind of talk is heresy to elite chessplayers, and that is why top level chess languishes as Mathieu Cloutier describes. But applying dress code isn't going to solve the problems. Poker has a proven business model, it attracts much much more world interest than chess. Use that business model to expand chess!
The pure form of chess would still remain, and would be considered the true test of skill, but the other versions would be the actual moneymakers because they would be the ones that people even outside of the world of chess would follow -- on cable TV, for example.
Chess cannot thrive beyond its current level without bringing outsiders into the fold. If there are seriously people considering a new chess organization and they are open to ideas, I'd be happy to discuss with them the few variants that I believe would bring in outsiders, and I can explain exactly why. In fact, one of the variants would even bring in poker players / followers, and that is huge in itself. For this variant, I have plans for getting it into casinos across North America in what will become a championship tour.
These variants aren't involving 10 x 10 boards nor new fairy pieces. That kind of change isn't what is needed. The kind of change I'm talking about is more fundamental, more intrinsic to the goal of getting new people interested... I learned this from the manner in which I first got interested in poker. I got totally hooked despite not knowing the fundamentals of poker, and I learned just what it was that got me and many others hooked, and that is what I'm going to bring to chess.
I don't expect to hear from anyone about this, which is ok because I'm already on the path (slow as it may be, due partially to the bad reputation of chess) to making this happen.
In another thread, Vlad Drkulec said some very pertinent to this line of thinking. He said that Kovalyov's achievements of the past week were establishing a narrative that anything can happen in chess, and that was and is building excitement and interest. Yes.... that is the idea. You build excitement and interest by letting it be known that anything can happen. Even more so than in the current world of elite standard chess.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
This brings up some questions. Can the world of pro chess handle two "official" organizations? There isn't much money to go around as it is, and not much money pouring in from sponsors. A new organization would have to convince potential sponsors that something big is happening, and that a break from FIDE will open the floodgates of world interest.
The world of chess can handle many organizations. But i don't know if it can handle many Paul Bonhams... :p
If you want to be a pro, dress like a pro. Fischer understood that. Kasparov, too. Both are among the greatest GMs ever. And the FIDE didn't tell them how to dress.
If you don't feel like playing chess in front of the cameras, don't bother showing up. Plenty of guys are willing and able to take your spot.
I think you are misremembering chess history here Mathieu. Fischer had a nickname as the Corduroy Killer, for his refusal to wear anything but corduroy pants and striped sport shirts. Fischer was known to dress atrociously until Benko convinced him otherwise.
Personally, I think chess needs to be more like poker and less like golf, and try to remove itself from its elitist pedestal. The drama needs to come from the players and the board, not the organizers nor FIDE. The chess scene needs relatable personalities, and is gaining popularity due to an online streaming presence, where none of the commentators are dressed as sharp as the chess they play.
I think you are misremembering chess history here Mathieu. Fischer had a nickname as the Corduroy Killer, for his refusal to wear anything but corduroy pants and striped sport shirts. Fischer was known to dress atrociously until Benko convinced him otherwise.
Personally, I think chess needs to be more like poker and less like golf, and try to remove itself from its elitist pedestal. The drama needs to come from the players and the board, not the organizers nor FIDE. The chess scene needs relatable personalities, and is gaining popularity due to an online streaming presence, where none of the commentators are dressed as sharp as the chess they play.
Fischer started to dress up as soon as he became a GM and professional player. Yes, maybe Benko had to explain it to him. But he got it right away.
I seriously don't disagree with your opinion about chess vs. poker vs. golf. A GM can dress however he wants... but seriously... chess players have been behaving like poker players for years, coming to the venue dressed like garbage and then they wonder why they get garbage money.
Poker players can dress like they want because people can relate to them on any given day. They want to see that. The drama when the cards are turned up. I see a poker player and I know I can make the moves he's dashing out. A chess GM? Sorry, but it's just not the same.
Fischer started to dress up as soon as he became a GM and professional player. Yes, maybe Benko had to explain it to him. But he got it right away.
I seriously don't disagree with your opinion about chess vs. poker vs. golf. A GM can dress however he wants... but seriously... chess players have been behaving like poker players for years, coming to the venue dressed like garbage and then they wonder why they get garbage money.
Poker players can dress like they want because people can relate to them on any given day. They want to see that. The drama when the cards are turned up. I see a poker player and I know I can make the moves he's dashing out. A chess GM? Sorry, but it's just not the same.
Sure, professionals should dress like professionals to differentiate themselves from amateurs, but it's all on FIDE to organize that. Why they haven't organized a professional chess tour with a clear dress code is beyond me. But people aren't watching because they have no good broadcasting and coverage, not because of the perceived professionalism of the participants. There's not a widespread awareness of professional chess and the major tournaments. I think I can name like 4, and I have no clue if they are "majors" or not. Chess.com has partnered with titled players to have the best streams, and St Louis Chess Club has the most professional broadcast coverage. FIDE has Agon which does nothing of the sort. Wasted opportunity to reach a larger audience, FIDE should really acquire Chess24 or similar site to get their message out.
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