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I'm going to have to partly side with Vlad on this one, although Bob's post was pretty mild. Persons in the employ of the CFC need to recognize that when they speak of matters like this, their words and actions reflect on the CFC itself. As such their posts need to show restraint and decorum.
Having said that, I would expect to see such behavior from the entire CFC Executive, and see it applied to non-FIDE related matters. Being the public face of any organization makes this necessary.
Yeah? Where were you when Vlad Drkulec, President of the CFC, publicly posted here on ChessTalk in violation of Canadian hate laws? You know damn well what I'm talking about, you sanctimonious phony. You and all other voting members did NOTHING! Restraint and decorum.... shove it where the sun don't shine!
You want to get my respect back, you do something about Drkulec immediately. This Kovalyev incident, despite unfortunately harming an innocent and very respectable young Canadian chess player, is nevertheless KARMA for Canadian chess for allowing such a person as Drkulec as President!!!
I only hope Bob Gillanders now sees the error of his ways, working for Drkulec, the very antithesis of everything Bob stands for.* It's KARMA, Bob! Get used to it.
Last edited by Paul Bonham; Saturday, 16th September, 2017, 01:28 AM.
That text was in the interview and not a talk between Zurab and Anton.
Anton explained that his pants did not fit him anymore...
First, as I said, the round 2 conversation is all according to Zurab. Anton didn't mention it in his statement.
But the pants that don't fit anymore... It's on Anton. So he's showing up for the most important tournament of the year, a month long event with a prize fund of 1.6M... and all he's gonna bring is... one pair of shorts?
I can't believe so many people are defending this. Forget about Zurab, forget about the whole controversy. Anton showed up at the World Cup and all he brought was one single pair of shorts. I can't even believe that. I would actually be glad to hear a statement from Anton saying he had, like, 3 pairs of shorts in his luggage.
Last edited by Mathieu Cloutier; Friday, 15th September, 2017, 11:26 PM.
That conversation happened before the well known events. When exactly? I don't know. But it seems Anton's shorts were a subject of discussion at least a day before round 3. According to Zurab, of course.
And, seriously, I have a hard time believing that a GM can show up with only ONE pair of shorts at the biggest tournament of his chess year, a month long event with a 1.6M prize fund. But maybe it's just me. I mean, he's gonna have to go to the laundr-o-mat at some point, right? What's he gonna wear while his shorts are being washed?
That text was in the interview and not a talk between Zurab and Anton.
Anton explained that his pants did not fit him anymore...
It is not appropriate for a chess player to declare a day before that he intentionally came with only one shorts and that he is ready to leave, because he has other more important obligations.
That conversation happened before the well known events. When exactly? I don't know. But it seems Anton's shorts were a subject of discussion at least a day before round 3. According to Zurab, of course.
And, seriously, I have a hard time believing that a GM can show up with only ONE pair of shorts at the biggest tournament of his chess year, a month long event with a 1.6M prize fund. But maybe it's just me. I mean, he's gonna have to go to the laundr-o-mat at some point, right? What's he gonna wear while his shorts are being washed?
Last edited by Mathieu Cloutier; Friday, 15th September, 2017, 10:28 PM.
Azmaiparashvili says Anton was warned in round 2 to show up with pants for round 3.
I don't see that in the statement.
imho, Azma got mad after seeing the Anton's interview after he beat Anand in the match -- in shorts, saying that he came for a short time just with shorts, not much preparation, eager to go home. However, he told at the end - he will stay as long as he can (by beating others). Then the evil plan came to Azma's mind and history was made.
Seems this one was completely ignored by everyone. And even if I don't like the guy at all, it's interesting to hear his side of story. Or at least what he pretends is his side of the story.
Azmaiparashvili says Anton was warned in round 2 to show up with pants for round 3. Anton told him the shorts was the only thing he brought [side note: Anton didn't deny that in his own response]. Apparently, when Zurab insisted, Anton told him he was expecting to leave after round 2 anyways, because he had more important business to attend to. Zurab told him he wouldn't get his prize money if he left the tournament (common practice). So Anton shows up for round 3, with his shorts and then the proverbial shit hit the fan (we know that part of the story).
Now, let's all keep in mind it's only Zurab's side of the story. He might be lying, for all we know. But...
1-Anton went to the World Cup with only one pair of shorts, really? For an event that might last almost a month? And Anton didn't deny that part in his statement, by the way.
2-Anton knew he played Anand in round 2.
Now, keeping in mind only the two points above, which are simply factual (#2) or confirmed by both sides (#1)... is it possible that Anton simply decided to 'travel light' because he was expecting to be out in round 2? Which lead to the warning (as per Zurab) and the eventual confrontation and threats.
I'm certainly not trying to support Zurab's reprehensible behaviour there. I'm just honestly interested in gathering all the information before forming an opinion.
Dear Vlad, I respectfully disagree. Regardless of the past politics, which is now blood under the bridge, Anton was undermined by a person i witnessed in 2004 as unsavory. It reminds me somewhat of one of the times during the 2004 Olympiad during one of the times our team was on the stage, playing against a particular team, when their captain and "assistants" were standing behind our players and clearly deliberately attempting to interfere. I complained to the arbiters, and, luckily I found one who wasn't corruptible, who joined me in physically blocking these instigators. I so wish i was at the World Cup as an "assistant" to stand in between once more.
I applaud any public or private outrage over this. Unfortunately, given the state of FIDE corruption, there is no chance of recourse and certainly no remedy for Anton. Since we live in a free state, the least, and perhaps the most we can do, is to exercise our right to free speech and condemn the instigators. Perhaps one day with sufficient public outcry such nonsense and its instigators will be thrown out, with the full historical context they deserve.
Brian
Hi Brian,
Good to hear from you. The reality is that Anton was assured by Zurab that he would be "punished by FIDE" for breaking a regulation that does not exist and moreover was routinely broken by other players in the World Cup if it did exist. Anton had no idea what the "punishment" was and given that he did not want unlimited liability he had no choice but to leave. As far as Anton was concerned the "punishment" could have been 25K a day, he really had no idea.
So effectively FIDE forced him out of the tournament with no justification whatsoever. The remedy should be that he gets an automatic participation in the candidates given that he was deprived of competing for his place in the candidates with the other players. So yes, there is a remedy and if it is not adhered to Federations around the world should consider withdrawing from FIDE and together with ACP form a new sporting organization for chess.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Friday, 15th September, 2017, 05:55 PM.
I'm going to have to partly side with Vlad on this one, although Bob's post was pretty mild. Persons in the employ of the CFC need to recognize that when they speak of matters like this, their words and actions reflect on the CFC itself. As such their posts need to show restraint and decorum.
Having said that, I would expect to see such behavior from the entire CFC Executive, and see it applied to non-FIDE related matters. Being the public face of any organization makes this necessary.
Yeah, unfortunately Bob is actually paid by the CFC so I guess he has to play by whatever rules they dream up from time to time... I can see Vlad's point about presenting a unified front but Bob's post was clearly as chess-player Bob NOT CFC E.D. Bob - but perhaps that should have been clearer or (as Vlad is suggesting) refrain from commenting when there is a conflict of interest.
I am not paid by the CFC and therefore I can post whatever I like - only Larry can censure posts on this board and he does so when it suits him (and I have no choice but to agree)
I'm going to have to partly side with Vlad on this one, although Bob's post was pretty mild. Persons in the employ of the CFC need to recognize that when they speak of matters like this, their words and actions reflect on the CFC itself. As such their posts need to show restraint and decorum.
Having said that, I would expect to see such behavior from the entire CFC Executive, and see it applied to non-FIDE related matters. Being the public face of any organization makes this necessary.
Dear Vlad, I respectfully disagree. Regardless of the past politics, which is now blood under the bridge, Anton was undermined by a person i witnessed in 2004 as unsavory. It reminds me somewhat of one of the times during the 2004 Olympiad during one of the times our team was on the stage, playing against a particular team, when their captain and "assistants" were standing behind our players and clearly deliberately attempting to interfere. I complained to the arbiters, and, luckily I found one who wasn't corruptible, who joined me in physically blocking these instigators. I so wish i was at the World Cup as an "assistant" to stand in between once more.
I applaud any public or private outrage over this. Unfortunately, given the state of FIDE corruption, there is no chance of recourse and certainly no remedy for Anton. Since we live in a free state, the least, and perhaps the most we can do, is to exercise our right to free speech and condemn the instigators. Perhaps one day with sufficient public outcry such nonsense and its instigators will be thrown out, with the full historical context they deserve.
Do you think those FIDE cretins read Chesstalk? Or even care what is posted here or anywhere about them?
I do not have to think about whether they read chesstalk. I have discussed chesstalk posts with one or two of them so yes they can have an effect and my impression is that they do care. I am willing to go to the mattresses* on this matter but as president I can expect and require that we avoid communications by the CFC which do not exactly reflect our own intentions. Insulting the judges in any matter is not the right strategy if you are hoping to get the outcome which you desire.
Do you think those FIDE cretins read Chesstalk? Or even care what is posted here or anywhere about them? They are completely incompetent and merely lining their pockets (think FIFA for a role model). I think Hal's letter was on point; what is required now is a more specific letter pointing out the bullshit in their response. In any case, all this hand waving and bluster may prove worthless because it is FIDE and they think they know what they are doing... and worse, they believe no one else knows anything.
The CFC should insist on:
- an apology from Z.A. and FIDE,
- payment to Anton for his performance,
- refund of any extraordinary expenses from changing travel arrangements
- possibly pursue further redress via whatever applicable court oversees FIDE (Court of Sport Arbitration?) [ http://www.tas-cas.org/en/index.html ]
You are absolutely right. Those FIDE guys don't care what the chess world people say or think or have their opinions. They do and act in whatever ways they want etc.
Bob, this will not help our case. Please refrain from such comments. I, Hal and the members of the Directors get to make the incendiary comments.
Do you think those FIDE cretins read Chesstalk? Or even care what is posted here or anywhere about them? They are completely incompetent and merely lining their pockets (think FIFA for a role model). I think Hal's letter was on point; what is required now is a more specific letter pointing out the bullshit in their response. In any case, all this hand waving and bluster may prove worthless because it is FIDE and they think they know what they are doing... and worse, they believe no one else knows anything.
The CFC should insist on:
- an apology from Z.A. and FIDE,
- payment to Anton for his performance,
- refund of any extraordinary expenses from changing travel arrangements
- possibly pursue further redress via whatever applicable court oversees FIDE (Court of Sport Arbitration?) [ http://www.tas-cas.org/en/index.html ]
Makro's response does not even acknowledge the bad behaviour of Zarub. Totally bias in favour of Zarub and lays all the blame on Anton.
Totally unacceptable. More protesting required.
Let's ban Zarub, Kirsan, and Makro from all CFC events. Symbolic action of course, but WTF, let's do it anyway.
Bob, this will not help our case. Please refrain from such comments. I, Hal and the members of the Directors get to make the incendiary comments.
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