Canadian Closed - list of games I have

[Hugh Brodie]

I'm trying to figure out which games I'm missing, and whether someone can supply me with them (or does someone have a complete collection already?)

Sorry about the messy crosstable - but I think it's the best Chessbase can do (unless I do a "force round-robin").

CAN-ch Guelph CAN  2009

      1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  
  1 Panjwani,Raja       2472  -½ +1 -½ +½ -1 +1 -0 -0 +1  5.5/9
                                5 23 28 15 22  2  7  8 17
  2 Tayar,Jonathan      2436  +½ -1 +½ -½ +1 -0    +½ -1  5.0/8
                                9 18  7 12 20  1     6  4
  3 Gerzhoy,Leonid      2524  +1 -1 +½ +½ -½       +1 -½  5.0/7
                               24 16  6  4  5       12  7
  4 Samsonkin,Artiom    2612  +1 -½ +1 -½ +½ -½    +½ +0  4.5/8
                               20  8 19  3 29  6     7  2
  5 Jiang,Louie         2252  +½    +1 -1 +½    +0    -1  4.0/6
                                1    10 13  3     8     6
  6 Sapozhnikov,Roman   2348     -1 -½ +0 -1 +½    -½ +0  3.5/7
                                  10  3  7 15  4     2  5
  7 Bluvshtein,Mark                 -½ -1       +1 -½ +½  3.5/5
                                      2  6        1  4  3
  8 Hebert,Jean                  +½             -1 +1 -1  3.5/4
                                   4              5  1 11
  9 Hambleton,Aman      2234  -½ +1          -0 +1    -1  3.5/5
                                2 14          18 25    12
 10 Noritsyn,Nikolay    2534  -1 +0 -0 +0 -½       +1 +1  3.5/7
                               27  6  5 17 26       21 30
 11 Thavandiran,Shiyam  2464  +0 -1 +0 -0 +1       -1 +0  3.0/7
                               16 25 15 21 14       13  8
 12 Kaminski,Victor     2334     +½ -1 +½ -½       -0 +0  2.5/6
                                  22 26  2 17        3  9
 13 Krnan,Tomas         2534  +½ -½    +0 -½ -1    +0 -0  2.5/7
                               18 15     5 25 21    11 14
 14 Divljan,Igor        2412     -0 +0 +½ -0       -1 +1  2.5/6
                                   9 23 27 11       30 13
 15 Henry,Liam                   +½ -1 -½ +0    +0        2.0/5
                                  13 11  1  6    20      
 16 MacKinnon,Keith     2251  -1 +0             -½ -½     2.0/4
                               11  3             22 19   
 17 Jung,Hans                          -1 +½          -0  1.5/3
                                        10 12           1
 18 Haessel,Dale        2276  -½ +0          +1           1.5/3
                               13  2           9         
 19 Plotkin,Victor      2366        -0    +1       +½ -0  1.5/4
                                      4    21       16 24
 20 Vicent,Trevor       2290  -0          -0    -1        1.0/3
                                4           2    15      
 21 Qin,Joey                           +1 -0 +0    -0     1.0/4
                                        11 19 13    10   
 22 Kaminski,Thomas              -½       +0    +½        1.0/3
                                  12        1    16      
 23 Arsenault,Nicolas            -0 -1                    1.0/2
                                   1 14                  
 24 Calugar,Arthur      2262  -0                      +1  1.0/2
                                3                      19
 25 Me,Kevin                     +0       +½    -0        0.5/3
                                  11       13     9      
 26 Humphreys,Michael               +0    +½              0.5/2
                                     12    10            
 27 Casareno,Erwin      2264  +0       -½                 0.5/2
                               10       14               
 28 Martchenko,Alex                 +½                    0.5/1
                                      1                  
 29 Livshits,Ron                          -½              0.5/1
                                            4            
 30 Morin,Yves                                     +0 -0  0.0/2
                                                    14 10

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Canadian Closed - list of games I have

Michael von Keitz has the complete PGN, I assume it will be made available shortly.

[Jean Hébert]

Re: Canadian Closed - list of games I have

Michael von Keitz has the complete PGN, I assume it will be made available shortly.

In the "good old days" the players in an important event used to get daily paper bulletins with the previous round games. No such thing for the Canadian Closed 2009, even though each player paid a hefty 250$ entry fee! When I finally discovered a gamefile on the internet just before the last round, I also found that it contained less than 1/3 of the games and only two of my games (apparently the guy entering them did not like me or did not like my chances...). And three days after the event we are still waiting for those games. Unacceptable and inexcusable. Please post those games NOW, they are allready long overdue!

Now that the fun is over, this and several other shortcomings of this very weak Canadian Closed 2009 organisation will have to be discussed. It is not going to be pleasant but someone who has knowledge of what has been going on in the last 30 years has to stand up and tell it like it is. Thirty one years ago when I won in Toronto, the organisation was very weak. Now it is significantly worse in many respects! But enough for today. I will be back soon... maybe even before we get those games.

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Canadian Closed - list of games I have

I also found that it contained less than 1/3 of the games and only two of my games (apparently the guy entering them did not like me or did not like my chances...).

:) Probably you are writing about the file I posted - it was a collection of the games posted by Chris at chesscanada forum CC reports. There were only two your games at that time :p Have you used a Monroi device in all your rounds? Seems that nobody was decoding scoresheets and posting them here or there.
and I hoped that I have not missed any game but never check that ;)

[Bob Armstrong]

Hebert & Bluvshtein Now CFC Governors !

Hi Jean:

Don't know whether you know it or not, but you will be able to speak directly to the other governors on this - on the Governors' Discussion Board - you are now a CFC governor !!

The Canadian Champion ( and Mark Bluvshtein too as runner-up ) both automatically become governors ! Hope you and Mark will bring your elite expertise to the governors, and be active participants this year.

Bob

[Bob Armstrong]

National Standards for Championships

Hi again Jean:

I meant also to mention, and forgot -

I am a new governor, and still getting acquainted with the CFC national championships process. But one thing I have found is that there are few bidders under our current procedure. Given that we may have only one bidder for the Closed, for example, what will happen if CFC starts imposing all kinds of additional requirements on the bidder as a condition of acceptance? It may be legitimate for CFC to say that there is a national standard that must be met. But what if the bidder balks, and withdraws the bid, as a result of being told to enhance their bid?

Will it be necessary for CFC to contribute some $$ to try to help bidders meet some national standards? If so, where is that money to come from? The revised budget is now being worked on, and the governors have suggested the CFC set up a " National Championships Development Fund ", to try to help develop bids for National Championships. This may be one way of doing it.

But if the CFC is to make some $$ available, what is there to stop an organizer from making less effort, and putting in a weak bid, relying on the CFC to provide $$ to enhance it?

Some questions while trying to deal with the issue you are raising.

Bob

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Canadian Closed - list of games I have

Interesting... I just went to visit the MonRoi site, and I got a browser warning that the site has been reported (on August 15th) for malicious content. Which might explain the really nasty virus I got (on the 15th) when I tried installing and running the MonRoi software and hub on my laptop (which I hadn't used in a few months and had not updated the virus scanner).

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Canadian Closed - list of games I have

Which might explain the really nasty virus I got (on the 15th)

What was a name of the virus?

[Jean Hébert]

Re: National Standards for Championships

Hi again Jean:

I meant also to mention, and forgot -

I am a new governor, and still getting acquainted with the CFC national championships process. But one thing I have found is that there are few bidders under our current procedure. Given that we may have only one bidder for the Closed, for example, what will happen if CFC starts imposing all kinds of additional requirements on the bidder as a condition of acceptance? It may be legitimate for CFC to say that there is a national standard that must be met. But what if the bidder balks, and withdraws the bid, as a result of being told to enhance their bid?

Will it be necessary for CFC to contribute some $$ to try to help bidders meet some national standards? If so, where is that money to come from? The revised budget is now being worked on, and the governors have suggested the CFC set up a " National Championships Development Fund ", to try to help develop bids for National Championships. This may be one way of doing it.

But if the CFC is to make some $$ available, what is there to stop an organizer from making less effort, and putting in a weak bid, relying on the CFC to provide $$ to enhance it?

Some questions while trying to deal with the issue you are raising.

You raise the right questions Bob. Without going into small details right now some obvious policy changes have to be adopted but this is possible only through strong leadership and mentality changes.

First of all, FIDE has set minimum minimum standards for zonal tournaments but has allowed (for political reasons not for the good of the game) one country zones such as Canada to bypass them. Voluntarily the CFC should abide by those rules or set up their own minimal standards (not too far away from the Fide standards hopefully) and enforce them, no matter what. If things cannot be done right, better not to do them at all and prepare for the next chance to do things right. Otherwise anything goes, anything does and it becomes "the way to do it", "the way it has always been done". Reasonable rules and standards do not make things more difficult in society. It actually helps people and organisations to focus on the tasks to accomplish. Telling an organizer what to achieve, pointing the goal to reach actually make things simpler for him, in many ways.

Secondly, an important event such as the canadian championship and zonal cannot and should not be organized (as was the case this year) without sponsorship, private or otherwise. Financing it solely with entry fees is degrading and insufficient. In civilized chess countries, GM, IMs and participants in national championships do not in the first place pay entry fees! If you are an organizer without the capacity and contacts to find sponsorship, then stick to week-end events with prizes based on entries (which personally I find unprofessionnal and unacceptable).

Thirdy... Forthly... Fiftly... next time. :)

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Canadian Closed - list of games I have

I'm not sure what was first, I know braviax was one of them, by the time I got there on Sunday my laptop had exited hibernation overnight, and run its battery dead (from full) downloading so much stuff that it would only stay turned on for 30 seconds unless I disabled the internet because there were 39 different downloaders trying to install stuff at the same time. I've got it partially repaired at this point, still working on it.

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: National Standards for Championships

Hi Jean:

Your topic is vitally important to the CFC. So I have taken the liberty of posting your original post and my original response on the Governors' Discussion Board. I am trying to get a read on how governors feel about a set of " Can. Closed National Standards " that bidders had to meet. And whether they think such a thing would drive off bidders. I hear you saying that it should be done, and if bidders don't come forward, then CFC has to go back to the drawing board on National Championships.

Since you are now a Governor, you can now get Chris Mallon ( cmallon@chess.ca ) to set you up with access to the Governors' Discussion Board ( which is " private " ), and then you could post your most recent thoughts directly on the Governors' Board for them to chew over.

Bob

[Jean Hébert]

Re: National Standards for Championships

Your topic is vitally important to the CFC.

It is not and it has not been, otherwise we would not have this exchange and we would not have had a canadian championship without even a sign on the door or in the room saying "Canadian championship and Zonal 2009". Hopefully it will change, the sooner the better.

So I have taken the liberty of posting your original post and my original response on the Governors' Discussion Board. I am trying to get a read on how governors feel about a set of " Can. Closed National Standards " that bidders had to meet. And whether they think such a thing would drive off bidders. I hear you saying that it should be done, and if bidders don't come forward, then CFC has to go back to the drawing board on National Championships.

No drawing board to change your principles and goals whenever things become a bit difficult. Time to stop drawing and start doing.

Since you are now a Governor, you can now get Chris Mallon ( cmallon@chess.ca ) to set you up with access to the Governors' Discussion Board ( which is " private " ), and then you could post your most recent thoughts directly on the Governors' Board for them to chew over.

There are mostly good things about becoming canadian champion. The one bad thing is being drawn into endless dicussions with governors who think they know and understand a lot. I will put my thoughts on Chesstalk when i feel like doing it, and possibly when I am asked specifically for input on precise matters. Interested Governors know where to read me.

By the way, we are still waiting for those games, for that gamefile that is apprently all done and need only to be posted. :) In the meantime I have to input my own games myself for the FQE site. Totally pitiful.

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: National Standards for Championships

Hi Jean:

Ouch ! Jean: " The one bad thing is being drawn into endless dicussions with governors who think they know and understand a lot. "

Some of us, hopefully, realize where we need some expert opinion, to supplement our limited experience. Governors have come forward, voluntarily, to try to help out the CFC on policy matters - hopefully we do not all think we know it all.

Anyway, I will keep current with your posts on ChessTalk. I can only advise that some governors are not that active, and some do not bother reading ChessTalk, or even their own members' CFC Chess Forum. But I have found that more come to the Governors' Discussion Board, now that it is being used more. So, I will post there any points you raise that seem to me need governor discussion, to see if I can draw them into dialogue on your issues, as I've done on this one. And a number of governors have viewed the new post on " Closed National Standards ", and a few have given their opinions.

Bob

[Michael von Keitz]

Re: National Standards for Championships

The game file is not complete. We have all games up to the end of round eight, and the playoff games, but round nine is currently lacking. Google Chrome gives the following report for MonRoi's website:

Of the 107 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 10 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2009-08-15, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2009-08-15.

In setting up live broadcasting, Chris Mallon's computer was infected. He has the PGNs from the devices, but it is a matter of whether he can have his computer run long enough to send them.

[Hugh Brodie]

Re: Canadian Closed - list of games I have

Michael's attached file is a .pgi file - not a .pgn file. I have all the round 9 games from he Monroi site at home - so we would still be missing several round 9 games which were not recorded by Monroi.