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  • Jonathan Berry
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    Originally posted by Ken Craft View Post
    The CFC has the ultimate sanction of not recognizing the results of a tournament if the organizers don't abide by the rules.
    In 2008 they did largely abide by the rules, as published by the CFC on its web site.

    The ultimate sanction is draconian and self-effacing in the worst way. Suicide is the sincerest form of self-criticism.

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  • Ken Craft
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    The CFC has the ultimate sanction of not recognizing the results of a tournament if the organizers don't abide by the rules.

    I remember Joshua Keshet being quite involved when we hosted the tournament at Mount Allison in 2001.

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  • Jonathan Berry
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    Originally posted by Patrick McDonald View Post
    They still did NOT combine sections (in direct conflict with the rule passed last year - even though they knew about this rule as one of the organzers was against the rule and was upset at it being passed, and taking part of the rule and charging the increased rate)

    I heard it said many times that the CFC has lost control of one if it's key annual events. It seems that once a bid gets accepted, the organizers that made the bid have free reign and the Youth Coordinator - that really should be integrally involved in the organization - is left out of it completely.
    See my comments at the old board:
    http://members5.boardhost.com/ChessT...216690513.html
    Grin

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  • Patrick McDonald
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    Ahh, Ken ...
    This is a VERY good and appropriate question!
    At this year's CYCC, I was consulted on one or two of the issues - primarily about whether a player was allowed to play or not.

    I also took the organizers aside and spoke with them about the new motion passed at last year's AGM - in particular the combining or not combining of sections that had less than 8 players.
    It seems that they took my advice/recommendation/directive on only one issue and that was about Canadian Citizens playing.

    They still allowed a non Canadian Citizen (also with no residency) to play (a boy from Hong Kong) against my ruling.

    They still did NOT combine sections (in direct conflict with the rule passed last year - even though they knew about this rule as one of the organzers was against the rule and was upset at it being passed, and taking part of the rule and charging the increased rate)

    I heard it said many times that the CFC has lost control of one if it's key annual events. It seems that once a bid gets accepted, the organizers that made the bid have free reign and the Youth Coordinator - that really should be integrally involved in the organization - is left out of it completely.

    In my years as youth coordinator, the team that worked "with" me the most and kept me fully apprised of all organizational matters was the team in Victoria BC. (one of the most successful and appreciated CYCC's).

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  • Ken Craft
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    What authority does the CFC Junior Coordinator have vis a vis the organizers of a CYCC?

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  • Patrick McDonald
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    The organizers said that the G20 games would NOT be rated.

    I know that at least 3 of the original 4 thought that this was silly and that they didn't feel that they were what they came to play. They didn't put their full effort into the games and the whole tournament had been destroyed for them.

    Since the organizers said they would not be rated, I truly hope that they won't be as they really don't reflect the players strength.

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  • Christopher Mallon
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    There's another point though... how are they planning on rating the games if they were G20?

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  • Ben Daswani
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    Quebec organisers have a history of being useless at the CYCC. The 2002 CYCC in Montreal was also poorly directed.

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  • Steve Douglas
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    Hi Eva:

    Hope all is well with you. It's a damn shame that this sort of stuff happens at all, and I can't think of any reason for it. If the players were suddenly forced to play G20, then you're right, it's a joke and the credibility of the results go out the window. I have no doubt that most of the players, regardless of their strength or position in the standings, felt the same way.

    As for the byes, I had noticed that when I saw the end of round 4 results for the B16 which were the first results I glanced at. Where did all the full-point byes come from? And for the stronger players too! Ugh. How hard can this stuff be? Screw-ups can happen but by the end of round 2 everything should be straightened out. This isn't rocket science.

    Steve

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  • Eva Michno
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    Hi Steve,

    Both organizers and the player/father were to blame.
    The father emailed organizers that his son should be U18 but they ignored it.
    For some reason the player decided to play in the wrong section without saying anything before 1st round started. He even played 2 more rounds there. The players and the parents all agreed that he should be disqualified but the appeal was turned down and instead the boys U18 had to play 20 minute games. It was a joke!
    There was also a boy visiting from Hong Kong (not Canadian citizen) who was allowed to play while qualified players were getting byes.

    Eva

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  • Steve Douglas
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    Hi Patrick:

    In the interest of fairness, you should probably point out that you are the CFC youth co-ordinator and also an interested party as a parent of a kid in the B18 section.

    That said, the handling of this sounds like a total clusterf**k on the part of the organizers and it's inconceivable to me that neither this kid nor his parents didn't know he was too old for the U16 section.

    Steve

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  • Hugh Brodie
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    I have the scoresheets of all available CYCC games. Eventually - all readable games will be entered - but I'm giving priority to the Canadian/Quebec Open games at the moment.

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  • Ben Daswani
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    The kid doesn't know how old he is? He should have simply been disqualified. And probably called an idiot.

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  • Christopher Mallon
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    Re: CYCC Final Results -- Wrong Section

    Looks kinda like that to me also... of course you'd like to make everyone happy but it doesn't always work that way. In this case they tried to appease one player and his parents and ticked off a number of other players and their parents at the same time.

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  • Ken MacDonald
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    CYCC Final Results -- Wrong Section

    Rather than cause such a mess, why was the unqualified (for U16) not simply CXLd out of the section. Could it possibly have been an error on the youth's and his father's part to enroll him in the wrong section? Doubtful to me! Is a USA RESIDENT even allowed to participate, whether a Canadian citizen or not? Methinks that someone was bending over the wrong way in this case.

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